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[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

With no intention to defend Elon Musk.... Jude Bellingham doing a Nazi salute by mistake and Toni Kroos lowering his arm.

In any case to me Elon's gesture looks very much intentional(either because he wanted to stir the pot or he actually means it), and even if there is doubt, he is not the kind of man that deserves benefit of the doubt.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Someone might, but sure as fuck not twice in a row.

I mean I did once accidentally do one because i was just trying to wave to people sitting on the ground and automatically adjusted my hand angle to be flat towards them and did not realize what I just did until they pointed it out. "Slightly" different context though.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I wouldn't rule out mistakenly doing the salute. But you don't mistakenly do it twice and then not apologize for doing people considered to be a nazi salute. Even if you do it once and you don't apologize after being called out you're a nazi. It's such a taboo thing that you'd be apologetic or at the very least remorseful or ashamed. Musk is none of those things.

And to anyone defending Musk, if he pulled out his dick and swung it around on stage and then doesn't show any remorse for showing his dick, would you think it was accidental?

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What if you're really drunk and you're trying to hail a cab but you can't rustle up enough strength to get your arm outside of the danger zone?

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He wasn't drunk or hailing a cab so I don't know what you are getting at.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That it is possible to do it accidentally. But a normal person would realize their mistake and apologize profusely.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Can't upvote the post at the moment. It's at 666 votes.

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

So good. I had his reddit app before. Functionality and customizations are the best.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 days ago

Okay so first technically that's not true. It's possible.

But Elon 100% did that shit on purpose.

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, you can say that, but of course people do. It's not like it's a completely bizarre movement of the arm. It happens now and then and people are demonized because of it. I really don't mean to defend Elon Musk, because I really wouldn't mind him being guillotined, but to claim that everyone that's been accused of doing a nazi salute, has intentionally done a nazi salute, is rather bizarre. We really don't need this, in order to hate on Musk, he's got all the hateability checks. There are plenty reasons that are far beyond any debate that would make him one of the most hated people on earth, and he deserves all of that. But the 'see, it's a nazi, here's the proof ' won't convince anyone that's not already on board on hating him. The argument that it's immoral to have over 400 billion, and that if he was a reasonable person he would give some shares to his employees, or lower prices, or distribute his money in power in whatever way possible because only a power hungry narcisistic maniac would hoard all this power, or whatever, is, I think, far more convincing than focussing on this awkward hand gesture.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Yep. There was a myriad of options to end such speech, including humble waving or nice gestures.

No, that Nazi chose to show a Nazi salute. It was intentional and calculated.

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