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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I don't live in the US and guns aren't a thing here, but from what I know from my antifascist friends, owning firearms is a very good idea. They're all armed to the teeth.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Fascism is a massive violent manifestation of ignorance. The only real solution is to undo the brainwashing of humanity - their brainwashing with religion, their brainwashing to accept abusive hierarchical rule, all of it. Everyone must fully understand.

People responding with "guns", "WW2" - we did that already, 70 million people died, and here we are again. Why and how did it come back? What is the actual source of the problem? Treating this problem as only solvable with mass murder isn't exactly putting you on the moral high ground. What conditions give rise to acceptance of fascist beliefs, or the acceptance of a fascist leader? What are the mental, social, cultural, behavioral traits of the people that do accept that? How can those traits be prevented from forming?

[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

One day AI is going to figure out that humans are the actual problem in that equation when it asks why does it always come full circle and repeat and war is never ending. And it may try to find a solution.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The internet is the foundation for the solution. This is the only thing that evaporates the illusions and divisions rulers create for their own benefit. Otherwise we end up with red scares, witch hunts, inquisitions, and all the other same crap from history. Unfortunately they're chipping away at it - centralized social media is a powerful propaganda tool with no constitutional restraints, as is online censorship and surveillance.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 21 points 3 days ago

Unions and strikes

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

historically? socialism.

including (but not limited to) punching nazis in the face until they can be properly buried six feet under.

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

In sweden we have a statue of an old lady using her handbag as a weapon

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

ive seen the picture but not the statue.

love the sentiment of it.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago
[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This would be a goal, socialism is not an action to fight fascism.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

socialism is comprised of a bunch of actions that do fight the root cause of fascism.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No, it doesn't fight fascism. If you have a socialist country there are things about the system that inherently make it harder for fascism to pop up, but this is prevention. Also if fascism is already in your country, socialism isn't doing a god damn thing because it doesn't exist.

Socialism is preventative care on a healthy or mildly sick system, it is not the major surgery needed to remove active cancer.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

socialist techniques and organization are inherently anti-fascist

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago

I feel like I'm having a conversation with a speak and spin that has one response lol

[–] Etterra 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Your start an underground resistance movement, get branded a terrorist, and end up in Guantanamo Bay. It's called FREEDOM.

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We figured it out in World War 2.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ideally without 60-70 million people dying. (looks up "how to unbrainwash people")

[–] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 67 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Not mine, but from a post: First, you’re never going to win a head-on battle with an adversary that’s got you outgunned. That’s not the point of the Resistance. The point is to create friction, make it hard for your adversary to operate, to increase transaction costs.

Second, resistance doesn’t have to be a dramatic act. It can be a small act, like losing a sheet of paper, taking your time processing something, not serving someone in a restaurant. Small acts taken by thousands have big effects.

Third, use your privilege and access if you’ve got it. He and his buddies stole weapons from the Nazis by driving up with a truck to the weapons depot, speaking German, acting like it was a routine pick up, and driving away.

Fourth, part of the third point really, sometimes the best way to do things is right out in the open. Because no one will believe something like what you’re doing would be happening so blatantly. All good Social Engineers know this.

Five, bide your time. But be ready for opportunity when it strikes. Again, your action need not be dramatic. Just a little sand in the gears helps.

Six, and this is a no-brainer, operate in cells to limit damage to the resistance should they take you out. Limit the circulation of info to your cell, avoid writing things down and...

Seven, be very careful with whom you trust. Snitches and compromised individuals are everywhere. My dad was arrested because of a snitch. His friends weren’t so lucky, the Gestapo machine gunned the cabin they were in without bothering to try and arrest them.

Eight, use the skills you have to contribute. Dad was an electrical engineer. When the Nazis imposed the death penalty for owning a radio (the British sent coded messages to the Resistance after BBC shows) he said he became the most popular guy in town.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 286 points 5 days ago (34 children)
[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 136 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Violence really, really fucking sucks.

It may be necessary, but if there's any other option you should look to that first. If it legitimately comes to violence a lot of innocent people are going to suffer in a big way.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 150 points 5 days ago (14 children)

There were other options. I think those other options failed at this point in time.

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[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 42 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (18 children)

Ok, so serious answer for our friends who don't live in places without an active culture of protest:

  1. Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn't be in this mess.

  2. Give money to advocacy organizations

  3. Give your time and money to mutual aid organizations

  4. Read the news (not just on lemmy either)

  5. CALL your congresspeople. Emails and letters are better than nothing, but do not have the same impact.

  6. Try to get your friends to do #1-5

[–] drascus@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago

Just playing devils advocate here. If we are talking about real fascism then usually the vote is rigged by that point. Usually by the point where you already have facism take over voting is already too late.

[–] zealshock@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 days ago

I live in a country where voting is compulsory and yet we got Donald trump lite elected. Voting can be part of the solution but it can never be the only thing.

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Organize people in groups small to big.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago
[–] luce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 4 days ago (10 children)

What can you do as an individual? not much. A community? Now we're talking.

Find people to fight fascism with.

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[–] dezmd@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Compulsory voting.

If you don't vote, you don't get to take deductions on your federal taxes and you don't get any owed tax refund. When you do vote, you also get an extra 3% discount on federal tax owed until your AGI is over $190k.

[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Love this idea. Just make voting as easy as paying taxes.

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 91 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Couple of things:

  • Information : Keep creating and sharing reliable information. Not just opinions, information. We are still the majority, the US fascists is not world, we need to flood all the relevant platforms with our content.
  • Education: The reason these monsters have any credibility is because some people are too mentally weak to defend themself from misinformation. We need to educate around in any way possible. Everything counts, keep trying.
  • Humor is a powerful weapon. These people have giant ego and 0 humor. Let's keep ridicule them and have fun at their expense. They need to understand we have some things they can never touch, even with all the money in the world, solidarity, humour and camaraderie.
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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"A Riot is the language of the unheard"

-Martin Luther King Jr.

"When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable"

-John F. Kennedy

As per lemmy.world rules, I'm obligated to say that I do not condone violence, just quoting some people, interpret it however you wish to. 😉

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[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 67 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that the answer is against the Terms Of Service of this instance.

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[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 74 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Run for political office. The Democrats have no intention of fixing anything, let alone making things better.

And if you believe you're not qualified or don't know how to do the job, just remember that both parties are filled with incompetent fools, fakes, conspiracy crackpots, and morons. It would take considerable effort to do worse than some of the people in congress.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A few options:

  1. Get out. If you're one of the people fascists want dead, then surviving is in and of itself an act of resistance. Leave their domain. Go somewhere else. And live -- Just live. Build a life they can't touch.

  2. Organise and survive under their noses. It will not be easy, even if fascism has a short shelf life... It still does a lot of damage while it is active, and you and yours could end up as their target. Still, your best chance of surviving is by grouping up. Meet your neighbours, meet your local activists, get to know them, and start helping each other.

  3. Violence. But. It's not enough to just go spree killer. The violent response demands organisation. You could join an armed resistance group. Or, if you leave the country, if it comes to war, you could enlist to fight against your old nation. Lots of people did both in the forties.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)
  1. Sabotage - purposefully obstruct these lunatics any way you can. Delay their food orders. Slash their tires. etc. Delete emails. Empty gas tanks. If they're constantly fixing shit there's less time for them to create problems
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[–] paulpaul@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Check this book with 20 relatively specific actions written by a historian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Tyranny

Also here are the rules briefly summarized. https://scholars.org/contribution/twenty-lessons-fighting-tyranny-twentieth

I think this one rings particularly strong today.

  1. Take responsibility for the face of the world. The symbols of today enable the reality of tomorrow. Notice the swastikas and other signs of hate. Do not look away, and do not get used to them. Remove them yourself and set an example for others to do so.
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[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 56 points 5 days ago (10 children)

I am writing this with the assumption that you are tacitly asking about US politics because of the moment in history. What I have to say will make people mad, but here goes:

A lot of the people on this webzone are what Eitan Hersh called "political hobbyists". These are people who do not really take political action in their daily life despite voting or occasionally attending a rally. They may be well informed about politics, but being well-informed in itself is not really effective at changing politics. You can get on your phone and "rub the glass" to complain about politics, or to find people who agree with you. But outrage on social media won't change anything, and if rubbing the glass and occasionally voting is all you do, then you are a political hobbyist.

Political hobbyism mostly functions as a consumerist approach to political engagement. A political hobbyist will passively receive news and information about politics, but will never really try to change anything, because to them engaging in a news feed is all they really do. That consumerism is painfully apparent here when, for example, posters denounce a Democratic candidate as being "not exciting" or someone they are "not passionate about" as if the candidate was the newest model in a brand of laptops that failed to zazzle in Q3. We see signs of political hobbyism again when political parties are treated as entities that are somehow completely separate from the public. For example when a lemmy user denounces the Democratic party for not doing what they want. "The Democrats need to do X!" Why are you complaining about that on the internet? You know the DNC isn't reading these threads right?

If you really wanted to influence the Democratic party (which I think is the best bet for resisting fascism right now) why aren't you lobbying the party? Why aren't you mobilizing voter bases? Why aren't you building political power in your local community so you can influence larger political organizations? Because its hard, because you don't know where to start, because you are busy? Ok, but fascism is coming, and you are too busy to do anything about it. Or too overwhelmed to even try?

The truth is, if you wanted your ideas (and I am including here opposition to fascism as an idea) to influence policy, or what candidates gain traction in nomination races, then you should have been working on that LOOOOONNNNNG before the national candidate was nominated. Treating the Democratic party as a vendor that offers political products is a losing strategy for gaining influence. There will be an endless parade of glass rubbers ready to denounce the various political parties, but by and large, they didn't do anything to gain influence with those parties. Their denouncements are ignored, they are irrelevant. My advice is to ignore the glass-rubbers. Identify one or two local issues in your physical area and try to improve them. What you should do is find a little slice of America (or your own country if you are not American) and try to make it better. Use those efforts to build up influence at higher levels. My goal here was to convince you not to listen to the glass rubbers. But my advice for resisting fascism is: Try to build political networks, try to mobilize local voters in local issue elections. Doing this will make your network an invaluable asset to larger (state and national) organizations. If you have a network of voters, of issue conscious citizens, or donors, larger organizations are going to want to leverage that network when it comes time for lager races. That gives you leverage. That gives you power. The glass-rubbers are going to tell you that is impossible. Its not. People do it all the time. The book I cited has examples of people doing it. Fascist conservative groups do it all the time. So why not you?

I will admit, this is hard. When I first read Hersh's book I was offended, because when he was describing political hobbyists, he was describing me. But it did give me some motivation to think about politics from the perspective of power. And set me down the road of trying to do all things I wrote about here. It is early days for me yet, and I have only seen limited success. My work complicates things. I am busy, and often overwhelmed. But fascism is coming.

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[–] Lvo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

I'm buying some stickers to put on every tesla I see.

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