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[–] lenz@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Remember when everyone hated on regular Russian citizens for not forming a rebellious revolution against Putin and assassinating him in his sleep? For not shooting every Russian oligarch and everyone who rubber stamped the invasion of Ukraine? Remember when people called them cowards and “as good as nazis” for being complacent and not getting up and doing something about it?

Where are you keyboard warriors now that the USA needs you?

Just sayin’

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 6 points 46 minutes ago

✅ Luigi approved comment

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 36 minutes ago (2 children)

With how .ml is fanboying Trump for saving TikTok right now, you lot would bitch if somebody assassinated the president anyway.

[–] B312@lemmy.world 4 points 18 minutes ago

Shouldn’t .ml be completely AGAINST trump, not with?

[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 minutes ago

I yet have to see a post fanboying trump at all.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

Living in a country that did something against putins predacessor and are now enjoying democracy as a result. This could be you.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 57 minutes ago

It’s so fucking cringe the way he’s biting his lip and does that little grunt. He was really sitting there amping himself up for this moment. “That’s it I’m going to sieg hail!!!”

What a fucking loser. No friends unlikeable moron.

[–] Embarrassingskidmark@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

What's wrong with him??? Really

I'm starting to dislike this guy

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 42 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

In the meantime while everyone is looking at Elon Donald is signing executive orders to

  • Grant top secret security clearances to White House staff without going through traditional vetting procedures.
  • Open the Alaska wilderness to more oil and gas drilling.
  • Eliminate environmental justice programs across the government, which are aimed at protecting poor communities from excess pollution.
  • Move to end birthright citizenship, which is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, for the children of undocumented immigrants.
  • Declare migrant crossings along the U.S.-Mexico border to be a national emergency
  • Remove protections for transgender people in federal prisons.
  • Ensure that states carrying out the death penalty have a “sufficient supply” of lethal injection drugs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/20/us/politics/trump-executive-orders-list.html

[–] BehindTheBarrier@programming.dev 3 points 40 minutes ago

I'm not saying there will be mass deportation, indefinite detainment, and possibly executions of unwanted people, but they sure are lining up for it. For example ramping up execution of sexual predators, while at the same time labelling LGBT and drag as being predators, just for existing near children...

Like if Elon is a nazi, then we may very well see a DOGE squad hunt down "un-American" people in the darkest timeline.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 2 points 38 minutes ago

It is amazing people are still making excuses for this.

[–] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

It seems like every other generation ~~has~~ GETS to curb stomp nazis.

My grandad did his tour out in europe.. It looks like this round it's a touch more domestic.

[–] Kben@lemm.ee 40 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

He probably didnt mean it as a nazi salute,its not as if he openly supports the German far right party AfD........oops

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Lol, elon stans be like:

"Just an accident"

salutes again

"um... maybe its just another accident, just a coincidence nothing to see here"

next day: actually says "heil h**ler"

"um.... he must've misspoke"

(totally not in denial)

[–] griD@feddit.org 4 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

It's only a real Nazi salute if it's from the Nazi region in Germany. Otherwise it's just sparkling hatred.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago

Man it must be really difficult to get a taxi wherever that was taken

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 6 points 1 hour ago

In Austria, he'd already be arrested... twice!

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 0 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

NGL, I'm speechless/infuriated because of this. Not going to really function today I think.

Well, gotta fake it a bit later when the kids get home. They're already asking things like why Russia is killing people in Ukraine and what does war feel like, so I'm thinking perhaps they don't need additional baggage right now.

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Please other countries send us help. No this isn't a drill

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 1 points 43 minutes ago

They'd stop us at the border

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

No. It will grow character and "land of the free" will for the first time understand what freedom is in around 10 or so years at best. Silver lining.

Besides US has infallible constitution that is designed to counter tyranny.

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 25 points 3 hours ago

This and what Putin's presidency turned out to become in the long run is what I now happen to imagine largely felt like to witness the Nazis rise to power.

You just don't know what's coming before it's actually there. The historical evidence even shows that the Nazis weren't that out-of-touch with reality at first, at least in terms of what was largely acceptable back in their day - like rights to land, borders, with many countries and nations being in a very turbulent state after the first World War. It's only after they got the power and set up the frameworks, like gradually oppressive laws and manipulating opinions and values through propaganda, that they went to do what we ultimately associate them with.

Putin spoke very high of "the west" and democracy and such at first, but quickly showed his true self when the Kursk sank, then with Beslan (the Nord Ost), then many more times, but back in the day, without today's hindsight, it seemed so... plausibly deniable? Like people could just vote him out the next time or excuse some things with the same traumas and biases that still brewed in the generations born in or shorty after the USSR. Now a full-blown tyrant, modernized to dictate through deceit, looking wild compared to his first days - a proper example of boiling the proverbial frog; turning the dial little by little, either compounding into some greater evil or simply revealing its true self, both equally inconsequential in the end.

Trump and Musk, similarly, have for the most part been interesting characters, so bizarre that excepting anything more felt naive, beyond the realm of possible. And yet again, unless there is enough backlash early on, people like this will keep pushing, until they lead us to the edge.

I never wanted to see for myself how something so terrible can rise to power, seemingly past everyone's attention. It's dreadful to think that the lessons of history are bets learned on one's own mistakes, that the Germany's experience is not enough to generate the unrest that keeps such people out of power.

I'm not even on the same continent as these two, but I know they'll be influencing a whole lot of change around the world, change that will never benefit any way.

The more things change...

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 70 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

We need to save and remember this moment. The assholes are already rewriting history as we speak.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 hours ago (6 children)

How many Americans right now are going to be like the Jews in Germany in the 1930s? They're a targeted group and can see what's coming, but for some reason aren't doing everything in their power to get away before they're rounded up and thrown in camps?

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 minutes ago

If you read Holocaust survivors memoirs you will learn many things.

During Operation Reinhard the killing centers were unthinkable and also veiled under strict secrecy. The information was so unbelievable that although there was early intelligence out of Chelmno for gassing vans, and later Slovak escapees published a document detailing the operation of Auschwitz-Birkenau II, it was met with disbelief and treated similar to a conspiracy theory. Wartime propaganda made this worse, by spreading so many rumors that people could not know what to believe.

The killing process was so barbaric that even prisoners who had witnessed it while doing other tasks in the camps, were in denial about it, as per their own memoirs. When Rogerie, member of French Resistance / primary witness against Holocaust Deniers, arrived in Auschwitz the first thing the French doctor told him was that the gassings were taking place, and he did not believe it until he saw with his own eyes. Even today are pretty foggy about what exactly happened in and around gas chambers.

The Nazi deception and subterfuge apparatus was so ubiquitous that in lots of cases people thought they were going to take showers. The killing centers were idyllic in appearance, and were made to the last detail to look like innocuous intermediary stops. Nobody escaped these places with the sole exception of the Sobibor uprising, and the Slovak Birkenau escapees. Churchill only came to know about the gassings around the time of the Nazi negotiations with Hungary about deporting Hungarian Jews to Birkenau, which was later in the war. The Sonderkommando photographs were taken during the cremation of the bodies of Hungarian Jews. Those three sources were the only hard evidence about the gassings up to late 1943, I think. It was a very well protected wartime state secret.

This is not to say that there were no rumors about it, nor that it wasn't common knowledge among certain segments of the German population. But, for many Jewish people what we now know was a wild conspiracy theory they thought too stupid to believe. They also had some more everyday shit to worry about. They were facing boycotts, pogroms, malnutrition, and were deported into ghettos and camps. Some were better off, for example in villages, and they didn't want to live as refugees in Ukraine.

Nazis had installed Jewish Councils to take care of such villages, and these councils were selecting people for camps, believing it would be just very hard labor. Wealthier families could pay the councils off to evade recruitment. When Operation Reinhard started the villages were surrounded by Trawniki men in the early hours and they would round up as many Jewish people as they could fit in the trucks. At this point people would start hiding in attics and special hideouts in the homes, while the Nazis started moving vast numbers of people from ghettos into Jewish villages, where they would be soon taken by the Trawniki's to the killing centers.

At this point it would be almost impossible to escape the villages alive. Some survivors report they tried, but not succeed. But people did not have sufficient and/or reliable information to act on before it was too late. Jews from other European countries, like Dutch, Greek, etc, they would ride a train from their hometown and end up in a gas chamber in a matter of days. Most of the victims from outside Poland would have had a few short minutes available to realize what had happened to them.

In fact, nobody talks much about this period apart from survivors. They all express the same concern: Don't let this be forgotten. It can happen anywhere, and it will definitely happen again, if not by the exact same means, by equally barbaric ones. If you read the whole thing from the 1930s prison camps up to Operation Reinhard killing centers you can have a rough idea about how they will go about it.

Probably they will build the deportation camps for illegal immigrants, make gender non-conformity a sex crime, get trans people in the prison labor system, then upgrade many prison to work camps. At the same time by prohibiting transition and denying healthcare they will decimate trans people by suicide or malpractice, and when they have the opportunity, for instance: during time of war, they might as well build gas chambers because deportees are too many to humanely deport, and put trans people and leftists there as well. I mean, they have followed the Nazi playbook to the letter so far, why would they stop now?

Sounds crazy, right? It sounded as much crazy in 1942, but it is true.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

God fuck I’m trying.

When it’s legal to fire you for being trans, hard to get the resources to escape.

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