I think what brother's me most here is the entitlement and contempt displayed for your own community. You were told repeatedly that nobody wanted this, and yet you doubled down saying "We know what's best". You acted like the community belongs to the moderation team, and they can do with it as they please.

It took a mass exodus for you to finally seriously consider other viewpoints. I don't think that's an acceptable way for any moderation team to treat their own community.

That's not something that can simply be fixed by an apology. It's something that would require some significant introspection.

I think yall (the mod team) still misunderstand what you did wrong. You're just repeating yourself. The problem is not that you failed to announce the migration, it is that you thought it was your choice to make, and that it even was an actionable decision. The fediverse, with each instance having it's own communities, userbase and set of alliances & blockades, does not afford for unilateral deportation of a community.

Furthermore as moderators of a community you'll always have to deal with instance admins. The fact you can't cope with Ada's safe space policy is a bad look. Quoting one debatable decision as "proof" is not helping. Your perception that you are somehow immune to ever disagreeing lemmy.world's admins is strange.

The primary issue that incited this was because we don't fully agree with the admin's moderation policies.

Clearly the community does though.

Which means the community is perfectly happy to continue on blahaj, its you, as the mod team, that aren't aligning with the community.

As someone who enjoys 196 (but only really participates by voting), I would just say that since you aren't aligning with the community, this isn't a community you should be moderating.

Make the !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone mods the mods of !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone and move on.

I cannot stress enough how untrustworthy any of you moderators are now, because how do any of us know that in a few days or weeks or months you won't just randomly close the community and decide you're moving elsewhere. In short, I really don't care if you continue to move over, or stay on .world, or do anything else, I don't want any part of your community anymore. And I don't see how anyone else would either, but that's entirely their business

to be honest, I never trusted the mod team much for many minor things and now I dont trust u at all for this huge thing that u've been hiding for months apparently, if this community is coming back Id personally still prefer a different mod team

We could go back on our decision and stay on blahaj.zone, continue on lemmy.world, do both, or try something else.

I guess u could moderate the .world comm for the people that prefer that instance since there seems to be people that do including u, and the people that were going to mod the onehundredninetysix comm would mod this one

dbzer0 or shitjustworks would have been way better than world. There's just way too many assholes on world, and even if you ban everyone who is overtly malicious there's still going to be a ton of normal users who are bringing a completely different vibe/political direction than the blahaj users (I say, as a feddit.org user).

i don't really accept the apology. 196 is not the mod team and you clearly do not have the capacity to maintain a community. please leave and do not come back to LBZ. i enjoying having my funny little people on my phone here and you have not been very funny so kindly stop the car because you are an underage driver. let someone who does not hit curbs or go up a one way street take the wheel thanks also please let the door hit you on the way out

YEAH I THINK MAKING A SEPERATE INSTANCE FOR YOU GUYS AND KEEPING 196 UNTOUCHED WOULD BE NICE CAN WE DO THAT PLEASE

My vote is for what I put in the original thread that was ignored multiple times.

Unlock the community, leave it as is, the problems you are mentioning as major factors in the decision simply do not matter that much to the community.

If the mod team chooses to leave and moderate somewhere else because they are sick of people assuming moderation actions done by instance admins are because of them, then they can step aside and mod a 196 community wherever they wish.

However it will be hard or impossible to undo the damage that has been done, with this comment from moss in particular being especially awful. A sentiment like that can’t just be walked back, it speaks to a moderator having little or no respect for the community and not understanding their place in it. The mods contributions are respected & appreciated, but the community is not being respected in turn.

I still don't understand how you thought this unilateral decision, including squatting on the 196@LBZ name, would be received well in the community. I question the soundness of your judgment.

Hold a vote of no confidence. Let the community you tried to screw over decide if the moderators should stay or resign.

Lemmy.world is a rancid instance, and I won't be joining you. I trust and respect Ada far more than the mod team here. Historically, you've allowed so many bad-faith actors here. I just returned, but I know in the past I saw at least one regular here whose alt was banned for queerphobia. He'd constantly stir the pot, and you did nothing. RIP 196, I guess. You'll learn why this was a bad decision, mark my words.

There are reasons beehaw defederates from lemmy.world

why not open the original blahaj zone 196, and let ada appoint new mods? if yall want to move and have your heart set on that, thats fine, but its clear that there are many people who would lose access to their favorite community if the original 196 remains locked. having multiple instances of the same community is by no means a bad thing, it simply gives more reach for our communities, and more options for every user.

the whole point of the fediverse is that us users can make experiences we like for eachother. its very clear that many people like the way things are, yall dont have to, but we do. its a community because of everybody who participates, lets try and build communities where our queer and trans friends can feel safe and at home. nothing is lost if we have two communities, only gained. let the nature of the fediverse and federation decide how things play out, not a small group of moderators making unilateral decisions for everybody.

Quite a big point missing here

Apparently none of the 196 moderators were actively checking the modlog?

Meaning instance moderator could just see a modlog appearing, and no-one dealing with it.

Moss, I know you can do better than painting the picture one-sided. It's probably pretty stressful now, and I very much understand it.

my honest opinion on the whole matter, and this is as someone who really doesn't care either way. You should give up on the community here. I don't mean that in a mean way, I mean you chose to do a decision that was drastically unfavorable to the majority of the current community on this instance it seems.

Regardless of intentions, your long past the turning point of being able to backtrack on your choice and re-enter the community just reading the comments here tells you that honestly your best bet is probably to just continue with your plan at this point, even if you did decide to unlock the community here it's clear that you've lost all trust in the majority of the users that are still participating on this post, so they'll just stay in the new community instead of returning.

In the words of Kenny Rogers, You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run.

This is a clear "know when to run" instance. There is no favorable outcome for you on this community you won't gain that trust back and there are far too many people still pissed about this issue, you are better off continuing the plan on LW and just let the people who didn't agree with it stay on the new community they made (or unlock the old community but you have already been pretty solid on that one)

Thats just my input as a lurking third party.

edit: looks like my feed was outdated, I just got the unlocked post, I still stand firm on my opinion on it though.

edit 2: shouldn't have second guessed myself, guess I had the name right the first time lmao

Reposting this since you said you were going to answer questions in the !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com post but this one is still unanswered:

If the move had nothing to do with pronouns and you’ll continue to enforce rules about neopronouns, how do you feel about one of the LW community team mods making statements like this about them? Do you feel confident that they will always let you enforce neopronoun rules if they decide that it’s hurting LW?

lol 🍿 honestly hope the instance just goes back to being a trans instance, hurry up and leave

In an unrelated note, I still don't know what 196 means and at this point I'm afraid to ask.

First, I want to thank you for this post and taking accountability for the mistakes made with this.

I'll also acknowledge that not being able to see who performed moderator actions can create misunderstandings like you describe.

My own suggestion would be along the following lines:

1. Reopen this instance's community on an interim basis. I'll acknowledge I don't know what implications this has for the .world community, and how that would need to be managed.

2. Put a user poll up about whether users want this community to be migrated to .world. Keep it up for a reasonable amount of time (say a week).

3. Honour the results. If the vote says keep this community here, commit to moderating it here. If there are members of the team who feel they cannot do this, allow them to step down without any flack. You're all volunteers - if it's too much for someone, it's too much. That's fair and doesn't take away from their prior efforts and support.

4. If the community votes to stay here, work with the blahaj admins again on how to balance the needs of the community v. the fact that the community wants you to use their resources. Yes, I know you have done this already. But two things jump to mind first:
   a) there seems to be a resource problem re: addressing some kinds of complaints/reports in this community in a timely manner. This might be offset by more mods to help out - I know in the wake of this, many have expressed interest in volunteering.
   b) perhaps a compromise can be met re: a very basic identification of where a moderation action came from - a simple tag [A] for admin, [CM] for Community Moderator. This would reduce any confusion as to where the ban came from, and with it the rationale. I'm not suggesting this would resolve all tensions, but may help manage their worst impacts.

This seems reasonable to me, but I will acknowledge I am not in your position when offering these.

Edit to acknowledge that while the above was well intended, it looks laughably slow/too little too late now. But I think these might be useful for someone's reference down the road if they consider migration of other particularly large communities down the road, so leaving it here.

To me, it sound like the best option for the mod team would be a it's own, dedicated instance just for 196.