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edit: As I'm seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms.
It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board.
FAQ:
Why?
That's a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada's excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances.
How does this work?
Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed.
What about the posts?
Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world's federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won't be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled.
As for the posts on lemmy.world's 196, we're leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
Once again, here's the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)

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[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I guess those ideological issues were the acceptance and safe space for queer people, but fuck us I guess. Don't worry, we won't hop on over to the shit show.

Maybe we can start a 197 like how 196 came from 195.

What a shitty fucking take from some power tripped mods.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713

looks like the main differences are about what counts as violations and how to deal with them:

196 mod said:

sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.

Ada's response:

every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces. ... As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.

So it's not as simple as queer acceptance vs not, but rather what counts as a violation and how severely those rules are enforced.

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[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 34 points 21 hours ago
[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 52 points 23 hours ago

Great, more centralization to .world...

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 40 points 23 hours ago

What are your thoughts on the Beehaw and any other instances' users who are going to be forceably left behind by this change?

I have no idea why u thought people would be fine with any of this, this leaves 200% clear that u dont even know the community u moderate

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 30 points 22 hours ago

Now where am I supposed to post this Iruleny?

Also waiting for the downvotes to reach 196.

[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 49 points 1 day ago

seriously? that's a bad decision.

[–] Toes@ani.social 28 points 22 hours ago
[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada's excellent team of admins

Can you expand on this? It's not really clear to me why you're making this move.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

see here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713

looks like the main "ideological" differences are about what counts as violations and how to deal with them:

a 196 mod said:

sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.

part of Ada's response:

every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces. ... As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.

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Basically it's "vibes", that's the only explanation the 196 mods intend to give us

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 49 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Who defederates from blåhaj? Why? As far as I can see it's just a queer instance only bigots would defederate.

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[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Please don't. Like really, or make your own new community. It being on blahaj zone is good

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[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

WHY ARE U MOVING INSTANCE?

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 19 hours ago

A single drawn out argument over a not even that controversial mod decision. Very sad that the blahaj admins allowed this mod to fuck over this whole community for no good reason and against the will of basically the entirety of this community.

[–] sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 1 day ago

The combination of not involving the community in the decision, only providing a vague reason and locking the original community really rubs me the wrong way.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 1 day ago (18 children)

u guys should mod a community on lemmy.world if they share ur values more but don't steal our community

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[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 75 points 1 day ago

It’s pretty clear what the community consensus here is.

You can leave, and start a new 196 community wherever you like. Leave this one as is, and people can choose to follow one, both or neither.

Locking it here is very hostile to the community and a categorically bad move. I hope the instance admins can step in, remove the mods and unlock the community.

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