edit: As I'm seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms.
It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board.
FAQ:
Why?
That's a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada's excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances.
How does this work?
Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed.
What about the posts?
Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world's federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won't be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled.
As for the posts on lemmy.world's 196, we're leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
Once again, here's the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 17 hours ago

I would like to propose a solution that I think can make everyone happy. Transfer ownership of Blahaj 196 to a new mod team and make World 196 the alternate community. If anyone wishes to follow the original mod team into world they would be able to, meanwhile blahaj 196 would follow the values of Blahaj. I personally volunteer to either be the head or a moderator here.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 55 points 18 hours ago

@moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone did you consult even a single member of your community or did you just decide this was good for you, like on a personal level?

thanks for linking the new one it makes it easy to block.

very disappointed. :(

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

So I made a new community.

!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Banner and icon will follow, I'm literally out running errands right now!

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Okay to have a backup, but I'm still hopeful we'll get this one unlocked

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 18 hours ago

Same, I'd much rather not have a break in content continuity and I'm ambivalent on being a mod.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Hope the current one will be reopened. Also using letters rather than numbers make it more difficult to use

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 18 hours ago

Agreed, getting this back is much more preferable. I tried 197-1 but the - was problematic.

[–] glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 72 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen a lot of talk about how this move changes the admins the community will be under, but very little about how this will change the randos that pass through. The mods keep saying this won't change anything, that the moderation will stay the same, etc, but the reason this community is the way it is is that there are a lot of locals that find it. When the new community shows up on l.w's local page, it will bring in a far different crowd. Their posts, comments, and up/down votes will change the community, and there's no amount of moderation that will fix that.

Mods, this is why people are mad you made this change without asking anyone. Many of us do not want an influx of .world users into this space because we know what kind of politics and biases they'll bring with them and that, even if you moderate the bigots, the normies will still likely overpower the queer voices this community is known for.

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 55 points 19 hours ago

Well written.

The situation that you describe reminds me of this this comic:

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 37 points 17 hours ago

Keep this community open for everyone and find a new mod team. With the world admin team "busting echo chambers" (even thoughs that aren't echo chambers) by overarching mod undercutting admin action, I'm extremely worried that this alone will ruin 196 as a whole. The etiquette on world is also different which will result in the altering of the community into some unknown. The quality content may also suffer a degradation as the culture of blajha and world are not the same.

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

We won't be moving to world with you. We like blahaj and we like 196 being on blahaj. If you don't want to be here, you should instead just hand over your mod positions to people who do.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 19 hours ago

Yeah, exactly, what the fuck?

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 20 hours ago

Absolutely foul decision. From the recent discussions i think it was very clear that the actual regular users and posters of 196 were opposed to moving to .world. What a clown show of a mod team.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

BOOOO!

Let us keep our own community right here on Blåhaj!

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 36 points 18 hours ago

the ideology of blahajzone isn't one I 100% agree with but it's honestly imo the best suited for 196, given that on The Other Website 196 is a fork of 195 that grew to be specifically queer/trans focused. People had other choices like 197, but they specifically chose 196, and I think there's a point to make in that.

as for the Lemmy.World choice, I really don't get it and probably will not migrate there, and really don't like that you guys are feeding the centralisation and concentration of power when there are so many wonderful instances out there. I like shitjustworks myself because it feels very non-interfery and open, but there's so many other options too.

this whole thing honestly feels disheartening given how 'default' the choice of lemmy.world feels, like you all put no thought into the decision before making it.

please just remember that we understand that you all are human and will accept apologies if you think they are necessary

[–] BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 20 hours ago

Adding my voice to the pile. Leave it here. Unlock it and let new mods take over. You can do your thing wherever you want. But let us do our thing where we want.

[–] improbablypoopingrn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 19 hours ago

Big yikes

[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

oh boy i can't wait to be randomly shadowbanned just like on every lemmy.world community where i open my stupid tranny mouth too much.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 19 hours ago

Minus being trans (but queer!) fucking SAME

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[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Fuck this. I'll be blocking the ~~new~~ fake 196 then.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Every single post on the "new" community is from a .world user. Maybe its time for me to block all of .world, it was pretty clear from the start that .world is predatory but this just makes me even more sure. They can have fun over there with their meta/threads federation lol

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

.world is federating with threads?? eww

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 17 points 19 hours ago

Yes

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[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 20 hours ago

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I'm sorry but what the fuck are you on?

lemmy.world

Literally the worst instance for a decentralized platform (cuz they're already too big).

please be assured we have same mod team

No that doesn't assure me. Whichever mods signed off on this should be removed from any 196 community because you took rule too seriously and forgot about your community before posting

It's really obvious what this is about. And it's not a good look for you.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 28 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)

If you don't want to get into it yourself, totally cool, but if anyone else does - what is this about?? Like, I don't understand the moderatorial and ideological differences referenced that justify bringing 196 to .world.

I loved having 196 on blahaj specifically, means more exposure to my trans and gender diverse homies and their memes because they feel safe here.

Edit: To those just joining us, who like me comment before reading the whole thread, this is a good place to start: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713

[Edit edit: Changed to a LBZ link, because having it be the lemmy.world link is the height of irony]

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Basically lemmy.blahaj.zone has gotten some criticism because of the server rules and stickied instance posts where we are to respect everyone's identity/neopronouns. There are a few people who identity as something people consider not real, such as dragons. Neopronouns arent necessarily meant to be literally real, and someone may identify as something they feel resembles them such as a dragon, or "fae". But some people believe that since dragons/fae/etc don't literally exist then they aren't valid identities/neopronouns. These people think that lemmy.blahaj.zone is enabling trolls identifing as non-real things. It also means that people in this 196 community need(ed) to respect people's identities even if they didn't think they were valid. Apparently that was too much to ask for the mods of this community.

Personally i don't know, nor do i care, if the 1-2 people are trolling. If they are, they aren't typical nasty trolls. They are just like any other user to me. Imo If someone wants to identify as a dragon then good for them. If anything it helps identify people who are openly combative with the instance rules.

All that is to say, it was clear to me that the mods want to move to another instance where they don't have to respect identities they don't consider valid. And my suspicion was right because the mod spelled it out down thread

[...] I can guarantee we will not be expected to entertain trolls [...]

[–] RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine being such a pissbaby that you hold a community hostage instead of blocking someone that you struggle to engage with.

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 42 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Why Lemmy.world over other servers?

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 19 hours ago

This is a great question, I wonder if they will answer this.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 33 points 20 hours ago

Cringe.

Make your own instance

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 31 points 21 hours ago

Bad move :(

[–] KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 23 hours ago

Fuck off, dividing a marginalized community over petty shit.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

if i could downvote, i would! >>>>>>:((((((((

this is a VERY UNCOMFY move!!! >>>>:((((

just to make it obvious, these are ANGRY FACES!!! ~~(im saying this cuz maybe 196 mods or whatever cannot understand these kinds of emotions)~~

">" are the ANGRY EYEBROWS! ":" are the EYES and "(" is the SAD MOUTH!!!

I AM VERY SAD! i will NOT lurk on ur evil .world "replacement".

this is NOT what the FEDIVERSE IS MEANT TO BE!!!!

the fediverse is meant to be DECENTRALIZED!!! across MULTIPLE INSTANCES!

this is NOT a "very fediverse move" you are doing here. This is a "reddit move"!

im gonna say it. this is straight up u/spez stuff happening here.

i HOPE that my comment gets blocked or removed by my instance maintainers, so that it becomes OBVIOUS that such hatespeech, which is allowed on .world is NOT OKAY!

(yes i mean my hatespeech rn, im in evil mode today, this is very evil, i dun like this at all. will not support this evil behavior)

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 20 points 18 hours ago

It's weird - you and I have never interacted, and we're usually engaging in totally different discussions in the fediverse, but every time I see a post from you my first thought is "We must protect Smorty at all costs. If Smorty stops posting, the fediverse has lost its way."

#makesmortyhappyagain

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