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[–] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

At least they low key admits China&DPRK are under dictatorship, a quality hard to find from .ml user

[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Least idiotic .ml user

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

dude talks about not having free and fair elections, supports best korea.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the famously communist Russian Federation. The RF is nakedly an imperial fascist regime that doesn't even have communist window dressing, it boggles the mind that self-proclaimed communists and anti-imperialists support them.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

RF is a Cult of personality, pretending to be a Mafia, pretending to be an empire. pretending to be a gas station masquerading as a state.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Careful you'll get banned from .ml for saying that... :)-

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well in that case:

Ah yes, the famously communist Russian Federation. The RF is nakedly an imperial fascist regime that doesn’t even have communist window dressing, it boggles the mind that self-proclaimed communists and anti-imperialists support them.

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Me too please! to make sure it works i put it in my bio too.

Ah yes, the famously communist Russian Federation. The RF is nakedly an imperial fascist regime that doesn’t even have communist window dressing, it boggles the mind that self-proclaimed communists and anti-imperialists support them.

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Oh that guy. He spends all day on Lenny pushing pro-Russia and pro-Chinese propaganda. It’s probably his job. I’ve asked him to hook me up with extra work, but no leads yet.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yogthos is either a fully paid professional propagandist or a highly skilled amateur. Probably the latter.

I'd call him(?) the single worst person of lemmy for the reason that every time he speaks of things that have nothing to do with politics, he seems like an absolutely cool dude. I remember even that in the first weeks of Russia's aggression on Ukraine, he was being kinda somber and realistic about it. But then The Message somehow reached him and he started spouting Russia's propaganda at full blast. He's clearly intelligent and literate while doing this, which is just doubly sad.

In him, Communism has completely ruined a perfectly good person, and it's a tragedy every time it happens.

[–] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lmao, it's yogthos. Canada's most notorious freedom fighter lmao.

/s.

That dip couldn't find the freedom he is "fighting" for if Marx drew him a map with directions.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 25 points 2 days ago

Yeah, the reason he's so happy about everything Russia does is that he's a software engineer with over a decade of experience living in Canada, he's living the cozy life and literally never going back to Russia because he's way too soft for that at this point.

That particular post also got me banned from the community. I said something to the tune that I'll agree with the state department on China, North Korea and Russia/Ukraine, but disagree on Cuba and Israel/Palestine, which probably makes me more of a leftist than all those dictator simping tankies. Someone did not like me pointing that out.

You ever point out to those people that Russia and China are very much NOT communist countries nowadays and people only simp for them because it's opposition to American global hegemony... Yeah you'll just get banned. I've been banned from .ml memes AND hexbear memes communities by now.

It almost feels like posting yogthos is cheating

[–] mlfh@lemmy.sdf.org 96 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yogthos is the kind of piece of shit that "critically supports" bombing Ukrainian kindergartens and maternity wards as long as, somewhere in the world, at least one Western tear is shed over it. Blocking them makes the fediverse far less unpleasant.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wonder why that user account is above the rules of the instance and its communities. The modlog is full of examples which should apply to their behavior as well

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (5 children)

They're a mod of several .ml communities. Just like every communist dictatorship, laws and rules don't matter when it's the one in charge breaking them.

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[–] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

My favorite theory is Putin interfered to have Zelenskyy elected as a sort of lame-dog. Only for him to become the badass we know and love.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I dont get how tankies can support a "communist" nation like China that has an investor class and whose system requires the mistreatment of the proletariat.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At least China goes through the motions of being Communist. They also somehow support 21st century Russia which is just openly an authoritarian oligarchy.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (11 children)

My 'favorite' is when they defend clerical fascism in Iran as some kind of fantastic anti-capitalist development,

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The leftists allied with the religious nutjobs in the revolution, then got murdered immediately afterwards because the religious nutjobs didn't want a leftist government that tolerated religion, they wanted an authoritarian theocracy. Some people somehow think that any leftist-backed revolution always goes brilliantly and ends up with utopian socialism or communism and no one ever exploits the post-revolutionary power vacuum for their own ends. That isn't compatible with what happened, so instead, they must believe that the leftists survived being murdered and now run Iran.

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[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago

"Because they'll eventually take away their wealth or kill them" is an argument I've actually seen on .ml. I'm not against the sentiment of getting rid of the capitalists but cmon, when someone says China isn't socialist and points at a clearly capitalist behavior you can't be "it's still socialist because the capitalist thing will be fixed in the future". Then every country might as well be socialist, we'll just fix capitalism at some later date.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because they don't support communism. They just like one version of ogliarchy better than the other.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

The "Party" sits above the "Money" in their power structure, unlike most of the Capitalist countries nowadays were (after 4 decades of Neoliberalism) Money is a power above that of the State (and remember, the State is what the voters supposedly control in Democracy, so that means that Money is a higher power than Democracy, which is why many have pointed out that countries like the US are Oligarchies not Democracies).

And, for reference, in Fascism too (or, in fact, all other Autocratic systems) the State sits above Money, so I'm hardly saying that by itself that is enough to make that system good

The real hypocrisy of tankies, IMHO, is that the "Communist" nations they support in a tribalist way still have elites, they're just not chosen via Money but instead via ability of climbing up the Party ranks (so Cronyism and Sociopathy) whilst genuine Leftwing thinking is about Equality, the very opposite of there being people who get privileged treatment for any reason other than need (that reason being money as in Capitalist system or something else is quite irrelevant in Leftwing thinking)

If you just see them as tribalists wedded to an ideology shaped by a specific kind of elites who use a specific kind of slogans around Equality to support the continuation of the structure that maintains their elite privileges, (which is parallel to what's done in Capitalism which similarly has the whole bullshit about how wealth is the product of merit to justify discrimination based on wealth) you can understand why tankies would think what they do about China.

They're still mindless simpleton tribalists, but it's interesting to understand how using as foundation for ones own judgement an ideology controlled by somebody else without doing at the very least some analysing of it just as easily yields a tankie, a Fascist or a (Neo)liberal depending on which ideological bundle of slogans they've unquestioningly adopted.

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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 110 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Wut? Was he talking about the previous Ukrainian government, sponsored by Russia™? I can't make sense of what he is saying, actually.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 74 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I had to reread it a few times myself, but I'm pretty sure that's what he's talkin about

Because everyone knows Russia is well known for their totally legit free and fair elections/s

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[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 33 points 2 days ago

Yogthos is always here to provide the shittiest of takes and the most phallical of fallacies.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yogthos drank the vatnik koolaid.

[–] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago

The best part is that he is a very well paid software engineer living in ThE WeSt.

Couldn't be more of a hypocrite if he fuckin' tried.

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[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 24 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I honestly can't tell if these .ml guys in these discussions are trolling or just spouting retarded nonsense and calling everyone a Nazi for the sake of it

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Hey, no judgement, but we're trying to cut down use of the r-term around here, as a courtesy to those who it's been used to unfairly hurt. Just for future reference.

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[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 54 points 3 days ago

Average Yogthos verbal vomit.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 57 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Huh. And here I thought Yogthos was a Chinese plant. Turns out they like the taste of Russian leather just the same.

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Marx would have liked and shared nafo memes guys

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 32 points 2 days ago

Yogthos is a clown

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