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Let's assume that in 10 years, AI has advanced absurdly, insanely fast, and is now capable of doing everything a Senior SWE can do. It can program in 15 different languages, 95% accuracy with almost no mistakes, can create entire applications in minutes, and no more engineers or SWEs are needed.... What will all the devs do? Do they just become homeless? Transition to medical field, nursing? Become tradespeople like plumbers, HVAC?

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Welcome to being a luddite.

It's not actually about hating the progression of technology, it's realizing that your labor has been leveraged against you. You will not bear any of the true fruits, because your bosses will use the fruits of your labor to purchase the AI to replace you.

It's because the labor market is fucked and developers needed unions 20 years ago instead of thinking because they were "rockstars" and "made the big bucks" that they didn't need anybody else.

We wouldn't have to ask these kind of questions if the fruits of our labor were being equitably distributed.

Basically in the scenario described, this is what's happening to developers:

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Capitalism is an auto-immune disease of society.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io -3 points 3 days ago

Unions in the us have ruined any interest in joining. Other countries have different imblementations. If I could start from scratch but laws favor the existing taking over.

[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The same thing that devs displaced by all the CMSs are doing - their jobs, just with another tool in their toolkit.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

On a related note, what happens when the number of different CMS's exceeds the number of devs? And why is it that every intermediate-level dev seems to write another shitty CMS rather than learning to use a good one?

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Job security. It's 4d chess baby!

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 points 3 days ago

On a related note, what happens when the number of different CMS’s exceeds the number of devs?

You mean they haven't already?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Once AI can develop code it can be used to improve itself in a feedback loop that would take short time to reach skynet.

We'd be the last of our species once it would want more resources than we'd be able to give it

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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Then I'll train my own model to make others lose their jobs, too. I bet an AI will then be able to do all calculations a civil engineer can do. Or manage any project.

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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Homemade pornography, obviously.

But actually, I'll limit myself to fixing deployment pipelines, correcting business specification mistakes, helping business leaders understand how computers work at all, mitigating moderate security issues, and finding a new job when the unmitigated severe security issues drive my employer bankrupt.

So essentially, exactly how I spend my day today, but with less typing.

And more nude photography, of course.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

All the parts of my job that make me want to shoot myself? Pass. Fortunately I have no such fear of AI.

[–] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] DuckWrangler9000@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How's that working for everyone in the USA? How many "riots" or protests have we done that yield nothing?

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Turn up the heat. Asking nicely has never worked.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago

As a dev, there's still quite a bit ai can't do and will most likely not be able to do.

AI is good at solving old problems but it's not trained on anything new. Its good at boilerplate and templates, but not good at original material. If it gets tremendously better, and really does get to the point where it's better than we are at development, then the industry will shift into prompt engineering. But I can see a huge reduction of jobs.

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 6 points 3 days ago

Ultimately we need to prepare for a future where the majority of jobs have been automated and need a way to keep the economy going. Everyone being employed full time is just something that is not sustainable on the long term as technology progresses. We'll eventually need UBI because otherwise all the money will be transferred to nearly fully automated companies controlling basically everything. We just won't be able to keep everyone employed without creating a massive amount of bullshit jobs nobody really wants to do. The better way is UBI and people going into research or creative works, and aim higher like space travel.

We're not quite ready yet and people are way too invested in capitalism for this to work just yet. But it will become a necessity eventually. It's not just affecting IT, it's affecting all sectors: we can basically 3D print houses now, we're not far off automating farming either. We will reach a point where most of society has been automated, we can feed everyone effortlessly.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 4 points 3 days ago

They'll get jobs as contractors fixing shitty AI code

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 3 points 3 days ago

Well before that level of complexity is achieved, the jobs of CEOs and Managers will be gone. Question is, will the Ai CEO really want to risk the safety of a review, knowing that it IS the company. Pump and Dump won't do it any more. Then CEOs need to actually work for their money. (Or well... get replaced by an Ai)

[–] bedlam@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's something that we're probably going to have to figure out quickly. We won't though given the lack of accountability of those in power.

If SWEs are losing their jobs you can imagine a lot of other white collar workers will be as well. This would mean you will be competing with many other people in other fields. The large number of unemployed will reduce demand for goods produced by those companies that are also laying off workers due to automation.

This is a bit of a tragedy of the commons where companies adopt the technology to increase profits but actually disrupt the economy, potentially leading to their own collapse.

It's impossible to really prepare for this scenario because it requires you to simultaneously be ready for retirement in the next few years but also riots. I'm just hoping for the best for now.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

We won’t though given the lack of accountability of those in power.

That is not an inevitable condition.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago

Plan? The CEOs plan to buy another yacht. These people are only interested in short term profits, not the long term well-being of their employees.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'll take what money I have stashed away and buy a nice secluded parcel of property with dummy low taxes away from people.

I'll grow my own food, hunt, forage, etc.

I'll do odd jobs to fill in the gaps when needed. anything from tech consulting to roof repairs.

I'll refuse to use any technology unless a job requires it.

and I'll wait for the inevitable collapse of technological society because a vulnerability was baked into the AI every company is using and nobody knows how to fix it.

I refuse to be a part of a system that denies me a seat at the table.

[–] maniii@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Combine harvesters are used to till, plow , sow seed , spray, water, reap and manage farms and most livestock have dedicated automated farming tools like cow milkers, feeders, shearers, etc. How long before no humans needed to hunt or forage or farm? When food is even cheaper to produce( of course the ai overlords and ai royalty ) but will hunger games everyone to get the artificially shortage and scarcity farm for vast amounts of resources to select groups.

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

Who tells the AI what to create? And how well does the AI understand the exact thing the person is attempting to do?

It would be no different than prompt engineers now knowing exactly what the say/type in order to get the image output they want.

That prompt work would be a kind of programming code in upon itself.

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