this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2025
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

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[–] Nuerion@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Here I am fully ready to deep dive into some drama from a community I have zero investment in and it’s impossible to read 😩

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Your instance seems to be serving you up a thumbnail of the image instead of the actual image. I recommend temporarily looking at the post from another instance, such as mine.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

PTB. vegans deserve better representation in their leaders than this i hope we can get an alternative community that can allow discussion without weird purity purges.

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Lol, I got my vegan card revoked (declared "a carnist") and handed my first fedi ban by the "Real Vegans™" too, for daring to call out their bullshit and ableist militant gatekeeping.

Good luck to them and the toxic cesspit they're so adamant on maintaining, the last thing anyone should be seeking is these people's approval, especially not on being a "good" or "real" vegan, since they make it crystal clear that their top priority is and always will be their own egos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 8 points 1 day ago

I’m so sorry! I’ve had that happen to me as well. It’s not only toxic but just makes me feel bad

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 day ago (44 children)

Generally very radical vegans also have a right to their own community, however I also think there should be spaces for less radical veganism as well. It seems that currently there's none of those available, or maybe the general hostility of social media against vegans makes any of their more tolerant spaces eventually close ranks to protect their sanity. Unfortunately vegan spaces are constantly brigaded by trolls so it's understandable they have a very short fuse, and a lot of people get caught in the cross-fire.

I think the only solution here would be for a new vegan community with a focus on debate with non-vegans. However it will be tricky to find the right moderators for it who either won't be non-vegans themselves and therefore support a flood of concern-trolls and bad faith arguments, or be vegans that won't get immediately burnt out.

[–] Arcanepotato@vegantheoryclub.org 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

So, last time people were mad that vegans were mean to them this community got created:

https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased

Edit: I should finish my coffee before posting, the only post there literally points to this more active com lol: https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased@lemmy.dbzer0.com

See: https://lemmy.world/post/23634881

We all know r/vegan exists and is a cesspit of carnists, but there doesn't seem to be an actual demand for a 'plant based' space. I'm not sure why people would post about something they are kind of meh and not committed to?

If people are interested in just the food, there are communities for that:

I really don't think the rules there are onerous. Just don't talk about abusing animals and don't be a jerk to the other posters and you're good?

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hey, I didn’t make plantbased to be a less committed version to veganism. I made it because from reddit to lemmy every vegan community I’ve encountered has power tripping toxic mods and I wanted to provide an alternative space.

I’m fully committed to my veganism. But I also wanted people who aren’t to be able to discuss it without being attacked.

After I wrote this I see you’re writing from a vegan instance. I have less experience with there versus vegan communities around here.

[–] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The hardcore/toxic crowd do nothing except alienate and turn people against the cause and make people think being vegan means being surrounded by assholes.

It’s people like you that welcome everyone into the discussion that inspire more people to try it out; you’re bringing about the real change.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

That’s so extremely nice of you to say :)

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[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm not even a vegetarian but I am slowly trending y'all's direction. Finding good recipes or product recommendations is key to getting my family to come along with me.

I appreciate being, if not welcomed, at least quietly tolerated!

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I view that as a net positive :) trying to force people to change in one moment will never succeed.

You’re more than welcome! I view it as a space to learn and explore, not to be judged by what level vegan you are lol

The only thing I’ve moderated recently is people pushing meat in the community or being rude.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

Dang, an actual PTB!

Defining removing the comments was already borderline PTB, though one can argue that since vegans tend to insist on dealt strict policies in vegan C/s, that it is within bounds to remove comments and posts as needed to maintain their space.

But holy shit, the "you aren't a real vegan" went right off the rails. And then bans for it. That's not even crossing the line in this specific case, it's kicking the line and spitting on its grave.

Mind you, sometimes it's necessary to ban people that aren't an actual part of the specific group a forum/community is for. It is case specific whether or not someone is power tripping.

But this case is soooo far into power tripping it's almost a parody

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 29 points 1 day ago

Purity gatekeeping, and purity competitions, are the bane of any movement. Sorry that happened to you. FWIW I thought your comments were reasonable

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This is super weird to me. Back on the Asian ass porn site known as Reddit I could just go into vegan subs and have casual conversations about recipes and cooking techniques. It didn’t matter that I eat meat.

After the API kerfuffle we all celebrated how friendly the internet can be and now you get preemptively banned because you COULD be a bad actor in disguise.

To a point I understand the frustration vegans have to live with. The constant childish trolling can be exhausting, but this is pretty much the worst way to handle this.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Every good cause has fundamentalist dickheads who try to coopt it and make it about them.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

... and they're more likely to start their own websites about it.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (22 children)

Another day, another ~~diet~~ vegan/carnivore drama

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 18 points 1 day ago

fyi the normal diet people eat is omnivorous, not carnivorous.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That looked like vegan/vegan drama

I didn't see any anti-vegan comment

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is why plantbased was made recently

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vegans biting each other 😉

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