this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2025
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

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[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 23 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I (a vegan) got banned from there for finding the love of cows cloying. I said we shouldn't have to pretend cows are cute to convince others not to kill and eat them.

It really isn't a place for even back and forth amongst friends, "no conversation - only agreement"

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Vegan restaurant

Adds meat to its menu

What

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 21 hours ago

I mean what level of vegan are you? Do you eat anything that casts a shadow?

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

jesus christ. i don't think i've ever seen a longer sidebar as I scroll down to the modlog... not a good start...

and okay, so the mod is unhappy about a vegan restaurant turning to non-veganry to stay alive? to the point where they're silencing all discussion of it in a positive or even ambivalent light? This seems like there's more to it than the mod is willing to admit publicly. "the restaurant isn't vegan" doesn't account for "it's a shame but I'd rather an otherwise vegan restaurant survive than not. how sad" and "it seems like there just weren't enough vegans in town to keep it alive" being banned. it's clear ethics policing and again, im sensing some passive-aggression and unstated resentments on the mod's part.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

PTB. vegans deserve better representation in their leaders than this i hope we can get an alternative community that can allow discussion without weird purity purges.

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[–] gaael@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (44 children)

Lol found out here that I had been banned from the community. Ty for sharing the information :)

Regarding the matter, I understand their reaction.
I've been interacting with some vegan circles IRL and some are more "hardcore" (not in a negative way) than others. When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder, it becomes increasingly difficult to tolerate even light deviations from the all-vegan path.

This being said, I would have preferred they had a better wording for the temp ban reason than "fake vegan" by which I feel insulted and hurt.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (16 children)

The "all or nothing" crowd really knows how to stomp on progress, huh?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's like they don't realize that by being this hostile towards any other viewpoints, they drive away people who might otherwise be interested in becoming vegan or want to learn more. All it does is harm the community in the long run, and then they wonder why there's a stigma around vegans. That stigma then feeds into a persecution complex and that becomes a nasty vicious cycle.

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[–] quirzle@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago

(not in a negative way)

Debatable.

One of my best friends is a long-term vegan. He generally avoids telling people because he so strongly hates being lumped in with this crowd of asshats.

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[–] Nuerion@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Here I am fully ready to deep dive into some drama from a community I have zero investment in and it’s impossible to read 😩

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Lol, I got my vegan card revoked (declared "a carnist") and handed my first fedi ban by the "Real Vegans™" too, for daring to call out their bullshit and ableist militant gatekeeping.

Good luck to them and the toxic cesspit they're so adamant on maintaining, the last thing anyone should be seeking is these people's approval, especially not on being a "good" or "real" vegan, since they make it crystal clear that their top priority is and always will be their own egos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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