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[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I mean, "serverless computing" has always only meant that it's "serverless" for the customer who buys the compute power in the sense that they don't have to bother the slightest with the architecture or managing it. Not really anything to reveal there...

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, but the joke is somewhat funny still

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think the "Cat Looks Inside" meme would've been more appropriate, because the "Let's See Who This Really Is" (a.k.a. "Scooby Doo Reveal") meme is more about revealing something that is actually different, while CLI is sarcastic. Like "Wireless device. Look inside. Wires" isn't revealing anything serious but makes fun of the misleading nomenclature. A good SDR example would be pulling the mask off a KKK member to reveal a cop, while they are supposed to be on the opposite sides, they are one and the same.
On the meme spectrum, SDR sits somewhere between CLI and "They are the Same Picture".

Thank you for not coming to my MemTalk.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Wait, that's meant to be a joke?

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All I'm hearing is that it still runs on servers 😡

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

MySQL: you set it up, if the server fails, you have to fix it. You set up replication, replication fails, you have to fix it. It's your alarms, you get up at 2:00 a.m., you set up backups. You deal with IP changes. You deal with your two+ boxes and their patches. Those servers are your responsibility. If their hypervisor needs an update you're stuck with the boxes going down.

Aurora serverless: you don't deal with any of that.

Saying they're the same as like saying that a self-driving taxi is the same as leasing your own car. In both cases there are servers involved, But in one of the two cases you don't have anything to do with the server.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So serverless means the same as buying it as a service?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Serverless in cloud computing typically refers to ephemeral processes...things like lambdas and message handlers.

Outside of that it's just a buzzword anyway (like "low code/no code" which is similar) so I guess any managed software is serverless by your definition?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Serverless Aurora is literally a thing in AWS

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Saying they’re the same as like saying that a self-driving taxi is the same as leasing your own car.

No saying serverless computing is serverless--which has several definitions btw like all marketing doublespeak--is like saying a taxi is driverless.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

And there we have it folks, the suffix "less" is now redefined

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

As with everything marketing, words mean nothing they just sound cool.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

From the point of view of the customer it is serverless. Maybe it's being done on a server, but maybe it's a magical genie in a bottle. You don't have to care because from your point of view you upload code and that code magically runs.

This fits perfectly in with other "-less" words. Like many "priceless" museum artifacts were bought and sold before they showed up in the museum. To the visitor and maybe to the museum they're priceless, but to the dealers who found it for the museum it had a price.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think it is. it's what you use if you're serverless yourself.

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This naming also came from a time when most people bought/rented servers where they would SSH/FTP into to update their software.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, and the big selling point for serverless is that you only deal with the code you want to run, none of that "server management" stuff. It's a perfectly reasonable name based on what's appealing about it.

[–] gencha@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You can install serverless frameworks on your server though. Best of both worlds

[–] samtoxie@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As someone in the ISP/hosting business, i can tell you that there are plenty of companies incapable of sufficiently managing actual servers. For their own safety it's probably better to let someone else manage it for them (despite getting ripped off then)

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd like to take the stance that: If you can't manage your own data, don't start a business. But that seems like a shaky foundation to plant a flag, so I will instead say, "I hate Oracle."

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's why you hire someone else to do it, like a network consultancy.

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[–] suzune@ani.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If they cannot manage their own infrastructure, they also don't know what infrastructure is needed for their services. And they won't even have the opportunity to learn anymore.

Secondly, if you buy external services, you need to consider improving connectivity.

I mean, you can still work on your on-premises servers, if your internet connection fails. You cannot, if you outsourced essentials parts.

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You cannot work on your on-premises servers if you shit the bed with your server management.

(Just playing devil’s advocate)

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

True.

But one thing you control, the other you don't.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not every business has a need to run their own data center, and I say this as a guy who used to run a data center.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes but the biggest benefit of serverless compute is not having to maintain a server and only maintaining your code.

[–] Undaunted@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I still think it should be called server-transparent instead of serverless. Makes it a little clearer.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

People used "function as a service", "managed *" or "compute as a service" for a bit, but serverless actually seemed to capture the gist of it for customers better. It may be marketing speak, but it does seem to be an effective shorthand for the value it provides.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be server-opaque though, bc they don't see the server details?

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

In computer science, “transparent” means that you don’t see something, i.e. internals are hidden. Like you don’t see glass.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, like the others said, it's bullshit MBA speak meant entirely for PR.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It just means that they're not your servers.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Not really. Serverless is OpEx. VPS is OpEx, but you also need OpEx budget for a person who can manage servers, not just a programmer.

VPS isn't rocket science, so you can probably find someone who can both program things and do the basic VPS server management needed. But, it is work that needs to be done by someone. In some cases, like if you're hiring scientists from academia who have never done any of their own sysadmin type stuff, it might be easier to just go with serverless so all they need to do is write programs.

[–] gregor@gregtech.eu 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A VPS in not my server in the same sense then

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

an oversimplification of a complex solution.

it's like eating at a restaurant and bitching it's like eating at home.

while true, at home you didn't need to pay for the staff, stove, ingredients, pots, pans, water, flatware, plates, cups, etc... you also ignore the fact that your kitchen at home is comprised of a single 200w microwave, a minifridge, and a single plate.

[–] gregor@gregtech.eu 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's fair, I agree.

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is what happens when a technical field gets infiltrated by business bros. Remember how openai was talking about AGI helping humanity or smth? Their definition of AGI was leaked recently, its "making $100 billion profit".

That's it, thats what will help humanity achieve its true potential, by openai making $100b in profits.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago

That’s it, thats what will help humanity achieve its true potential, by openai making $100b in profits.

Yay capitalism! We did it!

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really. Serverless is "you don't need to manage the servers". For some businesses, even managing a VPS is too technical a task. So, you could either go out and hire someone who can do that, or you can go serverless and pay a bit more for that, but save by not needing additional expertise.

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[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I was under the impression that "serverless" was marketing speak for "it has servers, but it's more opaque, and we will charge you a lot more".

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's more like "it has servers, but you don't have to manage them, or hire someone to manage them, and we will charge you a lot more, but maybe you'll save money because you don't have to hire someone".

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It may also be cheaper because they only run (and acal) when needed, instead of having a few extra servers running "just in case".

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Until you get a random ddoss attack or bug and get a 1000 times higher bill.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Live_Let_Live@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

page 196 of CompTIA Security+ SY0-701 Cert Guide

Serverless

Another popular architecture is the serverless architecture. Be aware that serverless does not mean that you do not need a server somewhere. Instead, serverless archi- tecture involves using cloud platforms to host and/or to develop code. For example, you might have a serverless app that is distributed in a cloud provider like Amazon Web Services (AWS), Microsoft Azure, or Google Cloud Platform (GCP). Serverless is a cloud computing execution model in which the cloud provider (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, and so on) dynamically manages the allocation and provision- ing of servers. Serverless applications run in stateless containers that are ephemeral and event triggered (fully managed by the cloud provider). AWS Lambda is one of the most popular serverless architectures in the industry.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 18 points 1 week ago

Me before opening this thread: I bet it's a weasel term for cloud bullshit.

Fucking marketing dickheads.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

The amount of ACKTUALLYs in this thread....

[–] randofromorlando@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I thought it was windows 11 home

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