it made me get off of lemmy.world
this post was submitted on 26 Dec 2024
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What was the issue there ?
Lemmy.world is incredibly hostile towards Marxists, or anyone too critical of the Democrats or the US' involvement in the genocide of Palestinians. I imagine @ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com has similar complaints based off their username.
My name is a pun off of miao being meow in chinese but sounds similar to Mao. But yes, that is where their censorship is and I disagree with it, but I also disagree with lemmygrad/hexbear censorship.
I elaborated on my views in my top level comment here, but you can't avoid "censorship." You can only pick which bias you want to see more of. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are more open with their biases, and can be trusted to uphold that bias very reliably. Lemmy.world is more subtle, it focuses on selective defederation and selective removals and bans in order to carefully prune a demographic.
Dbzer0 is interesting, it's mostly tech nerds and those enthusiastic about Anarchism, while remaining federated with Lemmy.world, Hexbear, and Lemmy.ml while defederating from Lemmygrad. As such, it generally leans techy Anarchist with a large influx of Liberals from Lemmy.world and some Marxists from Hexbear on occasion. It isn't as heavy handed with removals as Lemmy.world is in my experience, but it definitely is selective with what the mods and admins consider "acceptable Marxism."
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Admin's didn't like Luigi discussions to the point of not allowing discussion of Jury nullification. It wasn't not supporting violence but not supporting most discussion of this topic. To me, that shows protection of a certain neoliberal class. Like the opposite of lemmygrad.
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I’m on lemmy.one which has disabled downvoting. If I had known in advance I would have picked another instance. Unfortunately, Lemmy doesn’t have a mechanism to transfer your account to another instance yet.
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I find, it's useful to piss off the nazis. For example, lemmy.ml has a word filter, which has hardly an impact on anything. But the free-speech absolutists who want to be allowed to say that we should murder ethnic groups of people, because they think that's an opinion, they see that as censorship, so they don't care to join here.
I'm no Nazi, I just think it's infantilizing to filter out certain words so I left .ml. We're all adults here. Enjoy what you like though, I'm happy with /0.
The beauty of the fediverse. We all self select our digital communes that best reflects our values. All while not having to switch to a new service or product.
I'm definitely not saying anyone who's not a fan of word filters is a nazi. I'm just saying that nazis disproportionally dislike them more, so it's a good thing in my book. But yes, definitely enjoy what you like, too. I would be more critical of the word filter, if it wasn't possible for you to just join a different instance.
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I just had all of my comments deleted by the mod of a vegan group because I questioned one person. Seems lemmy is bringing over mods from reddit and their attitudes.
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I love that lemm.ee is federated with everyone, because that means I frequently encounter ideas that I - gasp - disagree with!
Not only that, but Lemmy gives us a decent amount of control over our own curation, at the user level. We're from the same instance, but our feeds could be totally opposite each other dependant on who/what we choose to filter/block.
It's one of my favorite things about this platform, and I feel like .ee's ethos really works alongside it.
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we aren't federated with NSFW instances and thats honestly okay because I use this account in public.
My instance has no censorship and federates with all, and moderation only happens for obvious illegal content, not someone having an opinion that is not popular.
To me, it's what the fediverse is supposed to be, so very happy.
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Most important is that passwords are always censored for others: ********
Really? Let me try.
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It really works!
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My random choice of instance over a year ago with zero research has worked out well so far.
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Just in case anyone needs to investigate what instances are federated/defederated from each other.
Not bad. The thing with "censorship" is that there are no real "free-speech" instances, all instances have opinions they deem intolerable and thus prune (whether selectively or overtly), and many selectively federate and defederate in a manner that makes one camp of thought more dominant, ie liberalism on Lemmy.world via defederation from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, etc.
Lemmy.ml is quicker to remove comments that break the rules than other instances, but is also more broadly federated and thus gets more points of view than, say, Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world on the other hand is more selective with what it removes, but intentionally defederates from instances with heavy concentrations of Marxists, a more subtle form of "censorship" that ultimately shapes the dominant narratives on its instance.
What this ultimately means is that the answer is to openly admit bias, which exists in everyone, and accept that as a natural consequence of the fediverse model. I wouldn't go to Lemmy.world if I wanted to know the opinion of Marxists just like I wouldn't go to Lemmygrad if I wanted to know the opinion of liberals on a subject, this recognition of bias is an intrinsic aspect of the federated model and needs to be openly recognized, otherwise sabre rattling about "censorship" between instances becomes a never-ending source of unconstructive drama.
Massive fan of feddit.uk and Lemm.ee, moderation has been great, feddit.uk the admin have shown a willingness and urgency in helping user. My personal experience; helping with resetting a backend issue effecting my account and looking into bot'ed down voting when I DM'd them.
Lemm.ee is just good with their federation philosophy which can be found on the sidebar.
Lemm.ee is nice. No complaints.
Agreed. I appreciate the well-thought and out level headed approach lemm.ee has taken.
Actually, for a moment I was annoyed they wouldn’t defederate with a certain offensive instance. But, now, looking back on it, I think they made the right decision. I appreciate that defederation is an extreme tool that shouldn’t be used lightly.
I feel OK about it, for the most part. I can say "genocide is always wrong" and not get banned here.
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I haven’t had a single issue with feeling censored at DB0. If anything, it is users from other instances acting like they own the whole Fediverse that I have occasionally had a problem with, but I don’t think any of them were moderators.
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