we should swap the pardon power for line item veto
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we should swap the pardon power for line item veto
Yeah. Would be neat watching Democrats make excuses for why only Republicans could use it.
You know, I get that there are problems with the Democrats, I really do. But when a Republican alters a bill to include a massively shitty clause, and the president signs it in place because the alternative is likely people not getting paid, and someone suggests a fix to this shitty behavior in a broken system, you always lean into the response of, "Yep, too bad the Democrats don't want to do shitty stuff, too." While consistently ignoring all the rest of it.
It makes me think you might not be discussing this in good faith.
But when a Republican alters a bill to include a massively shitty clause, and the president signs it in place because the alternative is likely people not getting paid
Where do you draw the line?
If a Republican alters a bill to include "outlaw miscegenation among military servicemembers" and the president signs it because the alternative is likely people not getting paid, are you okay with that?
Nope, but if he hadn't signed it the headline would have been "Biden Canceled Christmas for America's Troops", which is a large part of the reason the Republicans did this, and the same people who are complaining about him signing would be complaining about him not signing.
And honestly, I think this will be forgotten pretty quickly when Trump and the Republicans start rolling out all kinds of regressive laws, some of which I'm sure will supercede this. And some people here will blame the Democrats for not having run a compelling enough campaign, since personal survival isn't compelling enough for some people.
Oh no, not a bad headline! Think of what that would do to Biden's reelection chances! 🙄
Do not obey in advance. Democrats, by giving ground here, are laying the groundwork for much worse things that Republicans are going to be able to do in the future. I'm trans and I'm pretty sure I'm going to fucking die, because Democrats would rather sacrifice me to avoid bad headlines.
Democrats chose who they wanted to be shitty to.
This is going to be Democrats' last word about trans people for a long time.
Further cementing both parties as part and parcel to the problems in America.
One wrecks shop, the other apologizes and "hopes" they don't wreck it more, really really with sugar on top, BLM, 💜💜
I'm not sure what I'm insulted by more, the fascists or the pandering corporate Democrat liars pretending we're all best friends.
Neither speak for our country. We, the workers, the toilers, the sticks that churn this economy should be the ones speaking for it, not these thieves and grifters.
God when will people stop falling for this crap, this is exactly the culture war repubs are waging. Half of them don't even give a crap about shitting on LGBTQ+, what they care about is shitting on the Dems so R's can stay in power. They put the poison pill in a bill that Biden has no choice but to sign, JUST TO GET HEADLINES LIKE THIS, so that progressives will blame Biden and the democrats instead of the magats. And you fall for it every time. Sure, sometimes you also blame the R's for actually doing the bad things, but you always blame democrats when they aren't able to stop R's from doing the bad things. You all might hate the military but we kind of need one and if we just shut it down we're leaving ourselves vulnerable. What you are doing by blaming Biden for this is like saying yeah what the rapist did was wrong but she didn't fight him off hard enough, she must have wanted it. smh
They put the poison pill in a bill that Biden has no choice but to sign
He could have refused to sign. But that might have violated one of the precious norms that Democrats care more about than trans people.
Tell us you have no idea how the government works without telling us you have no idea how the government works.
Centrists pull out the "you don't know how government works" gaslighting whenever someone calls them out and they have no actual rebuttal.
Concession accepted.
"Biden cares about trans people unlike Trump!"
Old bigot white dude is an old bigot, news at 11. At least Trump makes it clear he wants my kind to die in a fire for good ratings on Fox News.
Well as long as the soldiers get their Christmas bonuses, I suppose a few thousand dead children is an acceptable price to pay. We wouldn't want the soldiers to have their Christmas ruined, and it's not like it would be the Republicans' fault for politicizing a must-pass spending bill. Oh well, it's not like trans kids are really human, a 9/11 worth of child corpses is fine. We wouldn't want to ruin Christmas.
I guess if there was any doubt before, it's gone now. Neither party is suitable. Time to really vote progressive. We need a new party that isn't deeply entrenched with whatever made hime sign that.
Time to do more than voting, comrade. The rule makers will never allow real change within the rules that they create.
Agreed, and what we really need is to actually end the duopoly by changing the voting system to a more fairly representative one like ranked-choice or rated, in the first place. Voting third party will just increase the chance of Republicans winning if that third party is left-leaning, and no third party will get a majority vote if you can't convince the vast majority of Americans to completely change their entire understanding of political parties that they've held on to for the past decades.
Just my opinion here, but the primary thing we should focus on is changing voting systems, because that's what will actually allow us to have a third party be successful in the first place.
Voting systems are extremely hard to change in most states. But progressive candidates usually support voting changes too. So two birds with one stone. It will be a painful few cycles with the Republicans winning. But they have shown they will turn on each other rather fast. And once we show we just aren't going to vote democrat or republican, momentum will build. Things can't get much worse.
How exactly do we focus on changing voting systems? Obviously vote for Democrats who support giving power to the people. What if they don't?
I'm lost. He spoke against it, but signed it anyway. Did they give any rationalization for signing it?
Paraphrasing here, but "we need to spend money on the military otherwise we won't be safe"
Except that doesn't really hold up since they could have sent it back to be modified and voted on again anyways.
No, not enough time to send it back and the R's knew exactly what they were doing here.
If only there was some way for him to stop it from happening.... Well, Joe, at least you tried.
It's not like his own opponent did something like that in the past because he didn't like the text of the bill. Surely not...
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/vetoes/TrumpDJ.htm
Here is the full context of the bill for those interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2025
Here is LGBT Nations' take: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/12/senate-passes-military-bill-with-provision-restricting-trans-healthcare/?
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