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hey nerds, I'm getting myself a new personal laptop as a treat, but I very much do not want windows 11 shitting it up. Is there a linux distro with caveman-compatible instructions for installation and use? I want to think about my OS as little as possible while actually using it.

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I just set up Nobara.

Shockingly straightforward.

Entire install process was very simple, with a GUI, then a neat little post install app that gives you another very straightforward GUI for running your first batch of system updates.

... Oh, and I was able to do this on a SteamDeck, without an external mouse or keyboard.

Nobara has a SteamDeck edition now.

The install process has a bit of Deck specific jank, basically i just had to change the screen UI scaling level from 175% to 100%, it defaulted to 175% when booting from the SD card i wrote the ISO to...

And then there's a bit of jank doing initial updates off the 'bare metal' install, because the SteamKeyboard overlay thingy will prompt your admin password for a system access prompt... which will disable most of the SteamDeck inputs for everything other than Steam untill you input your password to allow it to work.

The work around I figured for this is... when that prompt comes up, you push the steam button and hamburger menu button on the physical deck until you get Steam in big picture mode.

Then your controls all work in Steam.

Then you close Steam.

Then your mouse works via trackpad on the desktop, but the X button to bring up the SteamKeyboard does not.

So then you open Steam again.

Now the SteamKeyboard does work, and you can type in your admin pass to the system access prompt.

I had to do this silly process a number of times through the initial set up 0.o

I eventually set Steam to not automatically launch itself, and now that all the updates have gone through, I just have to mouse (trackpad) over to manually open Steam when I am in desktop mode and then give Steam the admin pw for the keyboard to work... just once per desktop session now that its all set up.

Probably I also could have gone back into gaming mode and just bound a button to whatever button combo Nobara/Fedora uses as a shortcut to open the actual Nobara/Fedora virtual keyboard, but I could not figure out what this key combo actually is lol.

But uh if you're just looking for an OS for a standard desktop PC, everything I've outlined in the above spoiler is not gonna be a problem, and you'll likely have a very straightforward install process.

I'm also a fan of Nobara's default UI... kind of a gnomeified KDE?

As well as its default apps, built in DeckyLoader and plugins for the Deck, ProtonPlus for runtime environments, and of course its built in kernel customizations/optimizations for to play vidya gaem.

Oh, and I went with Nobara over the default SteamOS because SteamOS on a Deck is a read only OS by default...

You can install flatpaks, but if you want to actually install new core packages, those will get wiped with a SteamOS update... or you have to use DistroBox... which may also get wiped on an update?

Not sure, but Nobara allowse to use the deck as both a Deck and a more standard desktop linux PC with more customizability... and not having to rely on the AUR, which I find incredibly frustrating.

[–] rodbiren@midwest.social 24 points 10 hours ago

I've done dozens of distros and Linux mint is the most familiar, unexciting, and stable one I have found. Ignore the hate. Real Linux fans don't care how you participate in open source, other than being toxic. Consequently, do whatever you want and install whatever seems like it would be something you'd want to use.

Id highly suggest having a separate hard drive for Linux as it can be easy to break dual boot if you don't know what you are doing. Last thing you want to do is panic and decide you need to reinstall Windows.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago

When first coming from Windows, starting with Mint is the safest bet for a good transition because things will work pretty much as you expect them to, and there's a very helpful forum if you have any questions. But I always say to try several distros and Desktop Environments to see how you like them. Everyone is different and it's all a matter of preference.

I suggest that once you've got whatever distro you decided on up and running, install a virtual machine software such as Boxes (very simple) or Virtual Box (a little more complicated but with more options). Then just download various distros and make VMs for them to try them out easily. Have fun!

[–] punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 hours ago

You got a lot of distro recommendations from across the spectrum and it's honestly hats to go wrong with any of them. It's mostly a matter of preference. As such I'll give you two pieces of advice:

  1. Set up a multi-boot flash drive (assuming you're currently using Windows, YUMI is a great utility) so that your can try a bunch of them and see what jives with you most. A great feature of Linux installers of that you can actually run the entire OS, full-featured, from the ISO. So grab a whole slew of them, throw them on the flash drive, and spend some time taking them for a spin.
  2. Do your research on compatibility. Laptop makers often don't make Linux drivers, so the latest hardware has compatibility problems until the community covers the gap. There are also some laptop manufacturers that have Linux in mind when they make their products, like System 76 and Framework.

Good luck! IMO getting into Linux for the first time is a fun journey. Enjoy it!

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I dare you to install Gentoo

[–] Integrate777 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Go ahead with mint. It's the only distro I know with a fully featured setup wizard that holds your hand through the entire process. I am confident anyone who has used computers can use it.

But honestly, most modern distros are about as difficult as picking up an iOS/android phone for the first time. There are different ways of doing things, but they're still phones and can't be too different anyway. Same with mint, it's just a computer, it isn't all that different.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's the only distro I know with a fully featured setup wizard that holds your hand through the entire process.

Ubuntu, Fedora, Nobara(Fedora fork by GloriousEggroll of proton-ge), Garuda Arch, Pop!OS. Those are just the few I've personally fiddled with.

Highly recommend Garuda, Nobara and Pop!, in that order, for gaming.

[–] Integrate777 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

No it can't be. I'm using fedora right now and it drops me into the GNOME desktop with nothing. The GNOME tours barely count, they just tell you to login to your dropbox or smth.

Have you seen the mint one? It's actually dummies proof. Full "It's my first day on linux" step-by-step guide. Everything from updating, setting themes, backups, installing nvidia drivers is in there. All relevant choices are meticulously explained.

I'm so certain of its coverage, I recommend mint to internet strangers because I genuinely believe it's sufficient even for the lowest common denominator. I can drop mint on any rando and fully trust that the Mint setup wizard will hold their hands through their first day on Linux.

I last switched distros 3 years ago, and the wizard definitely wasn't on popOS or Ubuntu either.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

Every distro gets shit on in memes, because each distro does things its own way that some don't agree with. As a new user, most of that doesn't matter much, the biggest changes between distros are how stuff works in the background. What matters more is your choice of Desktop Environment (DE). Essentially "the coat of paint on top". Most distros offer a couple different options when downloading the ISO, or when installing it.

I'd reccomend starting out by trying GNOME and KDE Plasma (if they're easily available for your distro), with GNOME being slightly more macOS-like, and KDE being somewhat similar in feel to Windows. Those are "the big two" DEs, but there's plenty of other options available if you don't like them.

As for distros, whatever works for you is the option you should go with. There's only two distros I recommend against using, Ubuntu (/ close derivatives) and Manjaro. Ubuntu is becoming extremely corporate, going against the "spirit" of a Linux distro. There's "Ubuntu Pro", a subscription for security updates, and "snap", an "alternative to" flatpak that forces you on Ubuntu managed repositories, along with many other issues. Manjaro is often marketed as "an easy Arch-based distro", but is in fact only very loosely derived from Arch. This combined with Manjaro team's inability to maintain the distro properly, causes nothing but issues.

As for every other distro, if it's being updated, and it works for you, then it's a great option. Because that second one is very personal, there is no "single best Linux distro". I would personally suggest to check out Mint and Fedora, those are often great options.

As someone else mentioned, with a "new laptop", hardware compatibility may be an issue. Most distros allow you to try them off the USB before installing, that's probably a good idea.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I've been running Manjaro for about a decade and never had issues. Not saying they don't exist but I feel like the concerns are overblown.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 5 points 7 hours ago

There's several online sources that compile some of the reasons why Manjaro is objectively a bad distro, here's one as an example: https://manjarno.pages.dev/

You're free to choose whatever you want on your system, I just reccomend against Manjaro (and Ubuntu).

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 17 points 16 hours ago

Mint is one of the best bets for beginners, it's very similar to windows 10 UI wise by default and generally very user friendly

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I always recommend to beginners ElementaryOS. The name being coincidental. It is a relatively simple looking but very very elegant and polished interface. Give it a try.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago

Good old I can't believe it's not macos

[–] syaochan@feddit.it 18 points 17 hours ago

Go with Mint, it's my daily drive on both my laptop and HTPC. If you choose the regular edition Ubuntu based you have also hardware enablement (hwe) kernels which could be useful on newer hardware.

[–] Lotsen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 19 hours ago

You can go with mint. It's a solid choice. I prefer opensuse tumbleweed since I find it easier to work with. It also has a great selection of desktop enviroments witch is the thing you interact with and what you use to manage your open programs. If you want something like modern windows you can go with KDE or cinnamon and if you want something more minimal and windoes XP like you can use xfce.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

ITT: 100 people naming their favourite distro and making that fit whatever OP needs.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 12 hours ago

So far, people are being pretty reasonable. Most are recommending mint, ubuntu or similars, and no one recommended arch to someone with basic linux/computing skills. I have to say I'm impressed. Restored my faith in the community.

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

That's numerous threads every day in every Linux-related forum. A lot of people cannot seem to distinguish a sincere recommendation based on stated needs frombjust the opportunity to proclaim their allegiance to their favorite.

[–] penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago

Fedora KDE. It's easy to setup, modern, customizable and fast. Second would be Mint, it's only flaws is that it ships an older kernel (might be a pain) and uses X11 (insecure).

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Generally I agree with everyone else, Linux Mint is great.

However, if you really want to not worry at all, you could just buy a laptop from e.g. Tuxedo or System76. They come with Linux preinstalled (I think in the case of Tuxedo at least, you even have a choice of which Linux Distro?), and are guaranteed to have no hardware "difficulties" with Linux, i.e. even if you put another distro on it, you won't encounter driver issues.

(Those have become very rare anyways, but do put a damper on the "Firsttime Linux Experience" if you do encounter them...)

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[–] merci3@lemmy.world 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mint is the best distro for the average user who doesnt want to tinker with their OS or doesnt want to waste time fixing issues.

IF Mint doesnt go well with your laptop, I would try out Fedora, which is more up to date with stuff and also very user friendly choose Fedora Workstation if you're feeling adventurous. choose Fedora KDE if you want a Windows like experience.

[–] Blubber28@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

To add, if OP is looking to use the laptop for gaming, I can recommend Bazzite. Built upon fedora with some quality of life things and very stable as it's immutable. Very hard to fuck up.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

I'm not sure about recommending immutable distros to noobs, I've read enough reports from people that want to (or because of some hardware crap, need to) install or mess with some low-level stuff that just won't work on the immutable distros, plus a bunch of online advice or help will just not be applicable.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

HolyOS, Hannah Montana linux, AmongOS

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Linux Mint. I'm a pretty hardcore Linux person, used a dozen different distros, Mint is by far the closest I've experienced to #JustWorks.

It's reliable and simple enough that earlier this year I switched my tech-illiterate parents from Windows to Mint. Works great for them so far.

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[–] Fashim@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago

Personally I would recommend Fedora, most distros people have recommended here works.

I had less issues installing Fedora on a new laptop than I did with the win11 and win10 attempts, I'm never switching back to windows

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 22 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Thanks for the input ya nerds. Much love from the geek side of lemmy. I'll be taking the advice of poking around with multiple distros before committing to one, because it sounds a whole lot less painful than I was imagining.

Quick question though, what the hell is a gnome? Or a KDE for that matter?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 10 hours ago

These are "desktop environments". They are essentially the graphical elements you interface with the operating system. icons, windows, buttons, those sort of things.

The two most common are KDE and GNOME. KDE has a very Windows-like appearance and functionality. GNOME is the same but for MacOS.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 11 hours ago

In windows, we get the entire os as a single product, and we don't have a choice in anything. On linux, it's the contrary. The os if formed by several software distributed separately and joined together like lego pieces. Each linux distro is a compilation of software, a particular combination of lego pieces created and maintained by some group.

So, even the system graphical interface is a lego piece like any other, and each distro comes with one by default. Kde and gnome are some of the most popular interfaces. You can also replace almost any lego piece from the system by another of your choice, unlike on windows.

I hope I helped you understand linux a bit better. It all will become much more simple to you with a little more time. Be welcome to the community.

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[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 1 day ago (14 children)

It's hilarious how uncool it is to suggest Ubuntu but it often just works, including very recent hardware if it's from Canonical partners like Lenovo or Dell. And the kerfuffle about things like snaps are way overblown.

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