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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -3 points 5 days ago

Europe and post soviet block Asia borders have also "shifted through centuries". Much of pre 2014 Ukrainian territory was gifted by Russia, some by "Poland", rather than colonized/invaded by Ukraine.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 151 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

It's weird how borders can move around on their own without any action from anyone.

Edit: On a more serious note, where exactly does this type of bias come from? I don't think of the AP as a highly ideological organization but is there some top-down pressure to frame things in a certain way? Does it come from the outside? Or is it just the prejudices of individual journalists and editors at play?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Israel has several lobbying organizations that watch news organizations and lodge complaints with them if coverage isn't favorable. Check out the ex CNN employee who recently said they literally couldn't publish without Isreal's permission.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s not even Israel either, Zionists world wide do it for free.

There was a big leak of a group chat of influential Zionists in Australia a while ago were they planning how to get people fired, coordinate complaints to the media, etc.

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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Manufacturing Consent

The essential ingredients of our propaganda model, or set of news "filters," fall under the following headings: (I) the size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth, and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms; (~) advertising as the primary income source of the mass media; (3) the reliance of the media on information provided by government, business, and "experts" funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power; (4) "flak" as a means of disciplining the media; and (5) "anticommunism" as a national religion and control mechanism. These elements interact with and reinforce one another. The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns.

https://chomsky.info/consent01/

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Thanks, I've been meaning to read this book for a long time. Maybe the time has finally come.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Consequences of Capitalism: Manufacturing Discontent and Resistance by Noam Chomsky and Marv Waterstone is also a worthwhile read if you get around to it

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Try Inventing Reality by Michael Parenti too.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 41 points 1 week ago

Israel doesn't actively do anything, they are to be referred to in the passive voice only. Russia is the one who invades, shoots and kills people. Bullets fly into the heads of Palestinians and Israeli borders move, no responsibility here.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sometimes because the paper is financed/owned by some party that profits off of the colonial & genocidal project, sometimes because the paper gets scoops from 3 letter agencies who make such requests in return for scoops, sometimes it’s racism that the writer might not even aware of, but most often it’s a combination of those.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I guess I was wondering if there's specific evidence of the way it works in this particular case. The AP is a non-profit, so it doesn't have the same structure as a privately or publicly owned firm. But of course, there's still the possibility of leadership imposing views onto its workers, though I think that's a little more challenging with a nonprofit. But I am curious about them because they are the source of a large amount of news published by other sources, so if they are biased then that bias infects the rest of the media whether they want it or not.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

I don’t know about AP specifically, but it’s a good question.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 week ago

They got to the position to write those titles because they're already west colonizers.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 1 week ago

There's an inherent bias towards treating government statements as fact (whether that's police, government officials or military spokesmen). When the other side is a 'terrorist organisation' or a 'community leader', they're automatically treated as biased and suspicious. It's a pattern you see with Israel, police shootings, etc.

Obviously when the country in question isn't aligned with the West (Russia, China, etc), the qualifiers and doubt comes creeping back in, and journalists will include examples of past lies to underscore the point, which you'll never see in a story about the NYPD or Matthew Miller.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Formal annexation by Russia happened significantly later than occupation of the land. Israel is at the 'occupation of the land' stage.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

OK but come on, are you really implying that the framing is the same here? And we all knew what Russia planned back then and we know what Israel plans today. Do you think when it’s “official” we’ll see the headline on the left for Israel? I don’t think so.

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[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While the current events are not great, Israel's border has changed through military engagements where it was on the defensive/being invaded.

Also, while it could be debated they were in the wrong then too, they did take some land as buffer regions because they were being repeatedly attacked.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was decades ago and not all the situation here. Israel just took land because Syria couldn’t stop them and no one else will either. Also, being invaded doesn’t justify ethnic cleansing anyway.

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[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Disgusting, these media titans should be held accountable for manufacturing consent on genocide.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Using what laws though? I’m not aware of any actual method that can hold them accountable.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 week ago

Laws aren’t static, but the law also isn’t the only way to justice. In this case it clearly isn’t.

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Anonymous needs to do some hacktivism...

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 days ago

Who is going to sign up for that war? (Any war)

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To be fair, Israel has also lost territory that they previously stole in large amounts on the Lebanon front.

Most of the land they've gained was in Palestine, but the USA and UK probably didn't recognize the Palestinian statehood anyways.

The pedantic difference here is like the difference between increasing and strictly increasing.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

All news should use neutal language.

If journalist want to express their personal opinions, that's what editorials are for.

A simple rewrite of the article title on the left to: "Russia annexes formerly Ukrainian territory. Ukraine and NATO declares the act to be unlawful". Like this is much better, less biased title. Don't make the claim yourself, tell who is saying it.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago

Media uses that tactic often, where they always platform the statements by Israel (that are very frequently lies that aren’t challenged at all even though it would be very easy to) but much less frequently from Palestinian sources. This makes it really easy for Israel to spread its narrative while Palestinians remain unheard and misunderstood.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“Annexes” literally means “takes control of illegally.”

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So, according to your link:

Definition:

Annexation,[1] in international law, is the forcible acquisition and assertion of legal title over one state's territory by another state, usually following military occupation of the territory.

Opinion of Internation Law:

In current international law, it is generally held to be an illegal act.

International law says its illegal. The word doesn't define it being inherently illegal.

The international law also says a lot of other things are illegal, but those acts are not inherently illegal, because the legality isn't inherent to the word's definition.

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