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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 124 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is some idiot trying to outlaw medical equipment in the States?

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 week ago (7 children)
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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nice... Using a law that was meant for the Ku Klux Klan to repress democratic routine and freedom. At least that one seems to be targeted at protests and not all every day life. And it contains exemptions. I'm just not sure if "we want to film the faces of everyone who doesn't agree with us" is a valid reason in a democracy. At least not on it's own and if there isn't some good reason to do it.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago (6 children)

At least that one seems to be targeted at protests

You're celebrating that, rather than accidentally targeting immunocompromised people, it deliberately targets people exercising their constitutional right to dissent?

Btw, like with abortion, any exemptions a GOP ban has will just be a fig leaf for the complicit media that's not going to be in effect in the vast majority of cases.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

??? I'm not celebrating that. I'm saying it's "better" to target immunocompromised people the two times a year they go to a protest, than to target them every day in their daily lives. You could as well also ban them from protecting themselves in the supermarket or in the subway. And make their lives completely miserable. Going to protests happens more rarely, so it has lesser impact. But no. It's totally not good or acceptable either.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (11 children)

It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.

High risk individuals rely on others wearing their mask to protect them from infection. Those people will effectively be relegated to their homes through the virus season if they want to remain safe. Hopefully they have the money to pay for deliveries for the season.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 37 points 1 week ago

I can't believe we are you still have to explain this in 2024. I have zero faith in humanity left, aside from Luigi ofc.

[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The reason they want you to not wear masks is, facial recognition that is literally everywhere doesn't work if your masked. You can help protect the vulnerable and yourself from invasive tracking with this one simple trick.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That may be a side effect but it's not the reason.

The reason is that they don't want to be told what to do by the government. They want to use the government to tell other people what to do.

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

This is about wielding power.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Just to pile on to that thought, it's also a wedge issue that makes stupid people very angry, and angry people are motivated to be politically active. They will shout down reasonable people, commit acts of violence, and vote in reliable numbers. Polite society tends to avoid political debate, in part because the angry morons show up to disrupt the quiet.

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[–] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep I’ve had a cold all last week and have been masking up for my grocery runs. It’s just about being a decent human being.

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.

While this is generally true, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that a properly-fitted respirator provides very good protection. Even more so if it's an elastomeric with P100 filters (99.97% PFE with absurdly high fit factors).

But...

You're absolutely right, if everyone would consistently wear at least an earloop respirator like a KF94 or KN95 — even if the quality is a bit sketchy and even if the fit is less than ideal — that would cut down on viral particulate emissions a great deal and task your own respirator with orders of magnitude less particulate to filter out.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.

It's more effective for others to wear them than for you to wear them. But it is still beneficial to wear a mask outside when you're at risk of contagion, assuming you pair it with hand sanitizer and other preventative measures.

Those people will effectively be relegated to their homes through the virus season if they want to remain safe.

At some point, telling people not to leave their homes if they want any kind of safety, but denying them access to medical equipment because it makes you feel unsafe only serves to deflect responsibility from the able-bodied to the vulnerable.

It would be like telling people in wheelchairs that ramps make me feel clumsy so you just shouldn't leave your house if you want full mobility.

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[–] Etterra 52 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Anti-maskers are like 6 year olds throwing a tantrum because you're making them eat broccoli.

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

More like because you're eating broccoli.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

If it's a complete mask ban, then it's more like they're throwing a tantrum because you're eating broccoli.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (7 children)

They know, they don't care.

American individualist propaganda has a load of people believing they're free to do whatever the fuck they like, and fuck anyone who tries to stop them.

Selflessness is a rejected concept to them, they will never productively participate in a community of people.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Individualism for me, fashion police for you!

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago

if only there was some sort of word for a political movement that weaponized the trappings of individual liberties in the name of killing marginalized people. i do nazi myself thinking of one

[–] _____@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

damn you just made some gears spin in my head

I think capitalism promotes "individualism" because the alternative is selflessness which means more money spent for the greater good of society

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (4 children)

is this under the assumption that this isn't the point? they're fascists, getting rid of disabled people is on brand and purposeful.

reminder that the party of "death panels will kill your grandma if anyone gets affordable healthcare" actively called for the death of grandmas when they didn't want to be inconvenienced by a piece of cloth over their mouth.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (3 children)

lets turn this around on them. they aren't banning masks... they're banning Halloween.

they're trying to cancel Halloween! what's next, Christmas?!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they aren’t banning masks… they’re banning Halloween.

I'm more than confident that the NYPD will make an exception for something that's lucrative to Big Business. The issue is that medical masks outside of one day in October aren't highly profitable, while CCTV cameras on every corner and AI facial recognition running across a thousand enormous data centers absolutely is.

Can't justify the enormous state investment in spying if these high profile assassinations demonstrate the holes in the system. So we just make masks illegal (except on the one day when it makes businesses money) and tell people with weak immune systems to eat shit.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The mayor of NYC is talking about it because of Luigi. My brother in Christ, Luigi doesn't care about your mask ban.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Ok, Mayor Adams, you're in favor of a mask ban.

So anyway, back to what we were talking about, why haven't you resigned despite being indicted for corruption and influence-peddling?

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[–] Floshie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if they were the kind of people to say that disabled people are a burden to society

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Disabled people were some of the first German gas chamber victims.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

As a disabled person you’re spot on.

It’s the kind of people saying that disabled people should just “get on with their life” and stop “making everything about their disability”.

Like yeah sure Bradley, I would do that, if I could get on with my life because c*nts like you didn’t deny every attempt at making the world accessible. Maybe if people like you didn’t complain every time a cent was spent on an accessibility fund or on medical research I would actually be able to be getting on with my life.

But no, since we’re treated like shit I have to make “everything about my disability” just for my basic survival. Because if I don’t I’ll just be left in a ditch to starve.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] Sinthesis@lemmy.today 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Nassau County in NY state passed a law this summer https://www.nyclu.org/press-release/nassau-county-mask-ban-signed-into-law YES, there are exceptions for health, religious or cultural reasons BUT they've also used it as probable cause to search someone https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nassau-county-police-issue-first-face-mask-ban-violation/5741363/ (it doesn't matter that he was found with a knife. My son wears a mask because he thinks his nose is ugly)

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Banning masks only serves to increase the overreach of our surveillance state.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ski Masks is my Religion

It is commandment one of the Church of the Holy Skiers that Ski Masks are a mandatory Religious Garmet. This is a blashphemy against my Religion! A clear violation of my first amendment rights!

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