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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 393 points 1 week ago (23 children)

this is starting to be horseshit. Every windows computer has a version of fucking solitare on it , there are other card based games that don't get this treatment, and the lootboxes are actual gambling.

I thought at the start it was a type of beurocratical problem, but it's been too long.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 159 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Not entirely sure about the European PEGI, but the American ESRB is funded by the same companies that it regulates. It was created after the outcry about violent games and was the industry self-regulating to avoid the government getting more involved.

It is a lobby group for the industry, for better and in this case very much for worse.

I assume PEGI is little different.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

PEGI and many other groups are private groups. They're not an authority of any form. They're not associated with government, public regulation, or public election. They're a group of people that create their own standards outside of the ISO or any actual regulation representing the public.

Some countries do have actual public systems, but many just have these private groups that know best.

[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (7 children)

They're private groups that do the ratings but ESRB is enforced by laws in some Canadian provinces for instance and PEGI is enforced by law in some European countries. They do have a de facto authority in those places as a publisher can't just decide to disregard their ratings and sell to minors anyway or something.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

To clarify: the ESRB is the rating arm. The ESA that runs it? That's the lobbying arm.

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[–] caut_R@lemmy.world 149 points 1 week ago (5 children)

They haven’t understood the game at all, I wonder if they even looked at it for more than two minutes

Run game > see playing cards and poker chips > close > PEGI 18

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 96 points 1 week ago

They're not looking into blatant gambling in AAA titles, of course they won't take a closer look into an indie game. They're completely useless.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah, but there are also tarot cards, which is spooky Occult voodoo magic. Balatro backwards might spell "Satan is Lord" in some ancient druidic script.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 147 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He probably forgot to funnel millions of dollars to non-profits and businesses adjacent to PEGI decisionmakers and their family members. Rookie mistake.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 124 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Windows comes bundled with solitaire. How is it allowed in schools?

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 139 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I think the current microsoft version of solitaire has microtransactions and ads so is actually significantly worse

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They added micro transactions and ads to fucking solitaire? How have I not heard about this till now...

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't really new. Solitaire has had ads for over a decade now since Windows 8, and there is a monthly premium subscription to remove them. As I understand it they also don't show during offline play, but might be wrong about that.

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Offline play? It's SOLITAIRE. Offline play should be the ONLY play, by default.

Feeling like I took crazy pills this morning...

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Why, how, the fuck do you add microtransactions to fucking solitaire?!

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Step 1: Add ads into [insert app of choice here] that are really annoying

Step 2: Make people pay to get rid of them. Bonus points if it's a subscription

Step 3: People hate your app but it's the one that's installed by default so they use it anyway

Step 4: Profit

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago

The fact that this business model earns moneu rather than car bombs annoys me.

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[–] derpgon@programming.dev 111 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck PEGI, their ratings always sucked and weren't useful at all. Full blown swearing? 13+. One cigar through 500 hours of gameplay? Adults only. Never cared, never will.

[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Violence and gore? 13+. Some boobs? Adults only.

Killing good, love bad.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago

If anybody knows about love it's rimjob_rainer.

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[–] tlou3please@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish lawmakers had some balls on this subject. If there's gambling, they should have to register as a gambling company and comply with all the other restrictions on gambling advertisements in each jurisdiction.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 71 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

The problem here is that Baltaro does not have gambling. It just uses cards and chips as the basis for playing the game. Like Magic the Gathering or Inscryption.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Using chips is even a stretch honestly. There are some chip imagery here and there but otherwise 'chips' are just how points are called.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 week ago

Exactly you never actually commit to any sort of wager or even an imitation of financial risk.

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[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hngh. Balatro already had a bunch of hassle on Switch eShop due to the PEGI ratings change.

Earlier, Nintendo somehow got a PEGI 12 rating for 51 Worldwide Games, which includes poker and blackjack. I wonder what they argued to avoid the 18 rating. "Sure, this compilation has poker and blackjack, but it's not like we made it fun." (It's adequate but compared to Balatro it's very much a non-frills experience.)

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[–] Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Balatro is a hard drug worse than heroin. We need to protect our kids from the bottomless pit of roguelite games

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank God it's ten dollars.

I almost downloaded it.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If you've ever spent money on a movie theatre ticket, you value your time at $7-$20 dollars an hour. This... is thousands of hours of entertainment.

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[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

Gotta love how they saved the literal slot machine for a minute in to the video so it wouldn't be too obvious.

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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 30 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Why is he still using Twitter? Does he want a bunch of Nazis replying to him?

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Because, unfortunately, millions of people still use it. If you're selling a product, it's in your best interest to have as much social media presence as possible.

Also, it's better to have an official presence on those platforms so others can't impersonate you as easily.

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[–] tino@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

let's just do like all parents buying the last Call of Duty to their 10-year-old and just don't give a fuck about PEGI.

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Reminds me of that Australian law that was proposed to make anything with a relation to casino games Restricted 18 but merely mature for exploitative slot machine loot box mechanics.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I haven't seen Loot Boxes in a game in awhile, I kinda prefer those to FOMO...

I think the perfect system is you earn Loot Boxes by playing that can contain anything, but you can buy the specific things you want at any time, the boxes themselves are unlocked through gameplay.

Heroes of the Storm did this, and god I miss that game.

I wish DBD did it

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 27 points 1 week ago

Might as well go all in on that new rating.

Balatro 1.5 Patch Notes.

  • All the Jokers now hang dong.

  • Big naturals Queens are worth double.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Are all game rating systems just complete and utter garbage? Dare you to find a good one.

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[–] Juigi@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago

NBA 2K literally had slot machine in it. System is corrupt.

[–] mudmaniac@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

I'm hopelessly addicted to gatcha. When I saw this I bought Balatro.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

When I was young I always wondered why the nhl games had a 16+ rating and Fifa had 3+. Figured both of them where ordinary sports.

Apparently fighting automatically shoots that nhl rating to the same level as GTA and balantro.

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