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[–] donuts@lemmy.world 236 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

You know, at face value he's absolutely right. We shouldn't claim care that is unnecessary or maybe even harmful. But where we disagree is that I think that decision should be left to our medical professionals

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 155 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Really what it should be is that if a doctor prescribes unnecessary care, they should go after the doctor, not the patient. Doctors have malpractice insurance. If the health insurance can't win a case of malpractice, then they should pay the bill. Why are patients in the midfle here at all.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 weeks ago

This is still validating the profit incentive of private health insurance.

If the doctor prescribes unnecessary care, it should be none of these peoples' business, because they shouldn't be allowed any stake in the decision whatsoever.

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s the same trick as rebranding bank robberies to identity theft. It puts the blame on the consumer who can’t afford to defend themselves.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Huh, I hadn't thought of that as a Crying Indian.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 36 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Really what it should be is that if a doctor prescribes unnecessary care

That's the core problem. The entity that defines unnecessary care is health insurance. And there are TONS of stories of them denying Diabetes medication for people with diabetes and anti-nausea meds to pediatric patients getting chemo.

If they were doing the right thing, no one would be pissed off. The "recent target" was the one to decided to run on AI driven denials that were denying 90% of care for months.

They are not fulfilling their duty to take the money from the subscribers and pay their righteous medical bills and instead using it as raw profit.

They are employing their own 'doctors' to prove stuff that is definitely necessary is labeled unnecessary.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Reminds me of the Tobacco Instrustry setting up the "Tobacco Institute", to disprove any links between smoking being addictive, and lung cancer.

They were constantly gaslighting the public, even tried to discredit the Surgeon General for his report on second hand smoke.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My attitude is that if the doctor prescribes unnecessary care there's a professional board for that.

Though let's be real, the health insurance for profit industry is the problem and it's not going to get better until we get rid of it

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 82 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] 2piradians@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I win! Whoosanext?

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I miss Anonymous. Those fuckers would be figuratively burning down UHC right now.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

they were taken down and then turned into a shell org of the NSA.

it's a honeypot/scapegoat now.

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

What actually happened to them? Did key members get tracked down or something?

[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't have sources, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the OGs aged out or got caught, and the new gen that replaced them weren't as ideologically driven or competent or something. I think they still technically exist but aren't nearly as influential as they once were

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 34 points 2 weeks ago

It's also not as easy to hack electronic systems anymore. It's not that they are invulnerable, but the vulnerabilities are generally more complicated and difficult to exploit. Setting aside people still running Windows XP or something, vulnerabilities get patched pretty quickly today. State actors have the time and resources to still do straight up electronic hacking, but opportunities for individuals are sparse.

Of course there is still the human element. Most data breaches done by individuals nowadays rely, at least in part, on social engineering.

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Another thought this just popped into my head is that the next generation may not have been brought up with the same fundamental hacking skills that were somewhat inherent in being technical in the late 70s-mid 90s. Could you still learn them?…Of course, but having grown up with BBSs and LoD (Legion of Doom, and the like) and pre-WWW, some things were just more prevalent when it came to learning about the guts of systems and “cybersecurity” (that word didn’t really exist back then).

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

On the other hand, learning hacking itself is easier than ever. It's turned legitimate under the guise of penetration testing.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they all just got jobs, honestly.

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

In this economy?!?! /s…kinda

Actually that makes sense, and saddens me a bit there wasn’t a contingent to pass the torch to.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What did you expect?

We've been told for years that herp derp the economy is doing amazing! If you don't agree there's something wrong with you! if you got laid off or your corpo landlord raised your rent and you're now dying in the street well then... look everybody! An evil homeless person lowering your property values with their continued existence! Git em!

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More like, disconnected from reality.

Poh-tay-toh tuh-mah-toh

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's time for that green guy from that one video game that I can't mention because the auto mods are erasing free speech

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 24 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Did he not have a PR person tell him that video was a bad idea? Or more likely, did he not listen to their advice?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

They simply don't care. What are you going to do? Shoot them?

[–] tkw8@lemm.ee 23 points 2 weeks ago

Headline says video was leaked. It was probably a private meeting. Agree that it was a stupid thing to say regardless.

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[–] oleorun@real.lemmy.fan 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

These dudes have their own dicks all the way down their throat.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And you wish that'd prevent them from talking. Alas here we are.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 17 points 2 weeks ago

Did that guy just paint a big ol' target on himself?

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[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like health insurance companies are putting a lot of pressure on people named Mario right now.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Can we gamble on how long they have left?

That'd be some good old fashioned capitalism.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

So many internet arguments revolve around binary choices that don’t need to be binary or appeals to authority or hypocrisy as the only leg they stand on.

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