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“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

Post got removed in .world for not being a "news source" even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist, so trying again here I guess.

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[–] b000rg@midwest.social 139 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Damn Gen Z kids can't even write a full page manifesto anymore smdh

/s

[–] lgmjon64@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

ChatGPT, write me a manifesto

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 59 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

📎 Looks like you're writing a manifesto, would you like some suggestions?

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Not even a whole book like they used to. SHM My Head.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 117 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

This sounds like a written confession or statement to the police, after he's already in police custody. Not a "manifesto", which is something justifying your actions to the public and done before carrying out whatever it is.

I'm not buying any of this. Someone who went to so much trouble planning, executing, and getting away without a trace, isn't going to go out in public with a bunch of incriminating items on their person. The NYPD probably just picked this tip out of the thousands they got, and are making things fit after the fact.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I really find it to be quite absurd that people are still thinking this isn't the guy. This is probably the guy. My basis for that is basically just that the shooter had a 200 dollar peak design redditor backpack and a uniqlo packable jacket when he shot that guy, and those are both heavily techbro-coded fashion items. That's on top of all the internet history of this specific guy pretty much indicating that he's the guy. Back problems, leading to a several month long disappearance, after he turns 26, and is no longer on his parent's healthcare plan.

We can also look at it through the lens of just the assassination attempt itself. The news is saying they found either a 3d printed gun, or more commonly, a ghost gun (which I have not been able to find a consistent account of). In either case, that involves buying a mostly unregulated firearm upper, and then either finishing an "80%" pre-assembled lower with a drill press, or probably even a regular cordless drill, or just wholesale printing the entire lower of the gun yourself. Both of those, are also techbro-coded methods of obtaining a firearm. Compared to just buying a somewhat common firearm in a state where it's pretty easy to get a gun a couple months before, and then shaving the serial numbers off the gun, or just getting a gun off the black market, or stealing one from someone, which all seem maybe easier than going the ghost gun route.

In the video itself, we see him struggle to cycle the gun manually, due what is probably a combination of using subsonic ammunition, and his suppressor, which I'm assuming did not have a nielsen device, or, a booster. Those are devices that are meant to help browning-style tilting barrel designs cycle much more reliably. They also tend to cycle less reliably with heavier baffled suppressors compared to much lighter, quieter, disposable, and easier to produce wipe-based suppressors.

His research and meticulously planned operation also consisted of shooting this guy in the back, in front of a camera, while this guy walked to his hotel. That's a plan that has a high percentage chance of success, it's the same way that you'd see many mob hits happen, but does it strike me as something which is particularly complicated or out of character for this guy, if he had a couple months to cook something up?

Based on the entire description of that chain of events, that would probably indicate that this is a somebody that's had some amount of preparation but wasn't some kind of professional or overwhelming genius. It could be the case that they dug around online for thirty minutes, happened to find a guy that had both disappeared for a couple months, had medical problems, was a little bit more conspiratorial, or rather, had incoherent politics, and would be the kind of guy who would dress in a peak design backpack and in a uniqlo jacket, and was ALSO a guy which was exiting new york at that time via bus. They would then have to plant evidence on him, which cops are known to do, but that's all, legitimately, entirely possible. Is it more likely than this being the guy, based on everything we've seen from the video?

I would say no, probably not, this is probably the guy.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There does seem to be inconsistency between the shooter meticulously planning things out and then this guy conveniently popping up at a McDonalds with all the gear and confessing. Seems like the first thing you'd do would be to ditch the gun and the silencer. If the gun was 3d printed, he could've literally just melted it down. On the flip side, if he wanted to get caught then he didn't have to do all this complex planning and could've just stayed at the scene and surrendered.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yep, the cops and US news are trying to get everyone to ignore all these glaring inconstencies.

They fucked up, let the guy slip through their fingers, and now are trying to do damage control.

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[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Very much agree on the fact this is no way a manifesto and shame on all the news outlets using such a clickbaity word.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I had a similar vibe but can't quite put my finger on it though.

To the Feds,

This intro just does not feel right, He sounds like fedi/reddit poster with that intro. I have not seen a lot of his social media post but he did not have that tone in his posts, at least not public ones.

There people around fedi who I can see saying it though lol. As if he feds, searched online on how to sound like a plausible corpo hater. "parasite" is also a nice touch, I see that shit daily on here...

Also, why the fuck would this man give two fucks to discuss the tool for the job. I was on the fence but I am not longer buying it is his work or if he even did it.

In country with 330m people, there must have reviewed many fact patterns that could have fit like glove purely from mathematically probably. His disappearing is likely made him an easy target, now it is on him to account for his where abouts.

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 113 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

[indecipherable] is the new [redacted]

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[–] Burghler@sh.itjust.works 96 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Reddit suppressing and removing all posts and even his account while Lemmy communities keep them all up. Feels good man

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 78 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Post got removed in .world for not being a "news source" even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist,

Unsurprising from .world

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Man, I signed up at world because it sounded like the most official one, but there's so much fuckery constantly on this instance... I even donated at one point then stopped when they were trying to shut down instances talking about piracy. Wtf?

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[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

.world doesn't allow journalism

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Their allowed articles are "Israel expands defensive buffer zone in Syria".

Top lol.

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[–] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 78 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

.world should not be removing articles from Ken Klippenstein. I detest the man for his methods and indiscretion (not necessarily in this instance), but he does post the facts as he receives them.

[–] Sinthesis@lemmy.today 32 points 2 weeks ago

Thx for reminding me to delete my .world account.

[–] lukes26@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I don't actually know too much about him, this is the first I've seen of him afaik (though I definitely could have read his stuff and not realized), but as far as I can tell he's pretty consistent with factual reporting. It did strike me as weird it was removed, like I get it's technically a substack page and all, but it's not like some random guys blog, and it's still the only reputable source for the full manifesto I've seen.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 20 points 2 weeks ago

he is a credited gen y journalist, he deff tries to do proper reporting and he does stories on his own instead of most of other media who just shill whatever owner said to shill that day.

Amazing news on .world have no problem having endless corpo proaganda blasted on there shilling owner talking points. God forbid working class gets some critical news coverage though.

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[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 73 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

This whole thing smells like horse shit. You hear so make stories about murderers ditching anything they had on them at the time of the crime. Rivers and lakes get dragged, forests are swept, every dumpster is turned upside down.

Yet, you're going to tell me homie was 300 miles away carrying everything he had still on him from the crime AND a literal confession note? Are they sure he wasn't waving air traffic controller sticks around on the freeway yelling, "IT WAS ME IT WAS ME"?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

At the very least it seems incongruous with leaving the state afterwards. If he was that fatalistic about being caught why didn't he just use a normal gun and drop it afterwards while he waited for the cops? He literally made a suppressed weapon and had a complex exit plan. That doesn't match up.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Being a tech guy, I was wondering if he had a deadman's switch set up to release something if he didn't make a check in. That's probably how I would go about it.

[–] TheChargedCreeper864@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

There are stories making the rounds of a YouTube channel in his name with two videos. One was something along the lines of "if you're setting this, I'm already captured", the other was set to premiere but the account got removed before it was public

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Just remember which instance let you read this, and which one wouldn't let you.

.ml doesnt need to host a bi monthly feud posts like .world does. Their moderator actions are all the advertisements we need. Make an account and export your settings today! Lemmy.ml

[–] lukes26@lemm.ee 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean .world 100% sucks lol, and people should definitely move off it, but I'd also like people to move off .ml or any other general purpose instance since centralization on any one instance can cause issues imo. I'm considering switching off of .ee for the same reason. I think it makes more sense to have specific instances for specific things, so that the admins of one instance can have more domain specific knowledge ideally.

.world specifically does seem like they can't go more than a few weeks without some kind of drama though lol.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 weeks ago

The .ml/tankie witch hunts on .world are what got me to jump. It's just exhausting.

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

I don't wanna get banned for saying China does bad things too lol

[–] theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

As long as you don't blindly repeat things from the US state dept without any critical thoughts you're fine. Look into things before you say them, China has plenty of issues, pick a real one.

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

What instance can I go to, so that I can freely say pure capitalism sucks, pure communism sucks, China / Russia governments suck. USA / Israel governments suck, every Islamic government sucks.

Bottom line is that most governments / authorities are shit, but there are levels to everything. And some are clearly worse than others.

I side with the people 99% of the time and I want an instance that sides / protects people not governments or ideologies.

Where can I find this?!

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[–] RealistAF@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This guy is a reminder that health is the most important thing in life. He lost his health which led him to lose it all.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

He lost it all because of capitalism.

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[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 41 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Is that 3 or 250 page copy?

Asking for a friend.

I have a weird feeling they are making this shit up as they go.

The info drip drives us where they want us talking at every turn.

Nobody is talking about the dead parasite or the corruption. I think they are looking for this to blow over.

Job is done, back to work peasants you got premiums to pay. Don't ya?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The reporting I saw stated it was a 250-some-odd WORD manifesto, not pages.

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (45 children)

286, same as the amount of people he was following on twitter, distance the McDonald’s was from the scene, and the Pokémon index id of the one in his Twitter banner.

Proverb 28:6

Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago

Luigi 1:7

Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty

This is either disinformation or whatever asshole wrote this doesn't know US history.

You can still see the scars in the JP Morgan building in wall street from the horse drawn carriage bomb that was set against those greedy corporate assholes after the arrest of Sacco and Vanzetti in 1920

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing

We have a long history of defending against their violence

[–] lukes26@lemm.ee 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can definitely see why someone not as well versed in anarchist history could believe that, or if they specifically meant against the insurance industry. Either way though, I think it's important for people to know about that history of violence that led to meaningful social reforms. So many Americans think that workers rights, civil rights, and everything short of the ~~abolishment~~ rebranding of slavery was won through voting or peaceful protests.

Too many people believe that somehow a state has some divine morality granted to it, and justice can only happen within the confines of said state. No moral act can be carried out without the government sanctioning it, and any miscarriage of justice by the state is an abnormality.

There may be a monopoly on violence held by states against their people, but this doesn't give them some inherent right to be the ultimate arbiters of justice. Something being legal does not make it moral, and just because an act is illegal doesn't make it immoral.

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[–] hollerpixie@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting read. However this turns out, not a huge fan of .world removing it, similar to the centralized sites you'd expect to suppress stuff. Stopped following their news thread for this reason as I don't need my information moderated- can do that myself.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.

Interesting to point this out. This seems more like a liberal radicalized out of circumstance than a Marxist or Anarchist. I wonder what his course would have looked like had he channeled his energy into organizing and reading theory, would he have made the same decisions, or not?

[–] lukes26@lemm.ee 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah based on his goodreads and other social media he's definitely more of US style Libertarian or conservative. He tweeted some stuff about wokeness and DEI, some of the new athiesm junk about how athiests replace Christianity with worship of social issues, and seemed to like Elon Musk. He also didn't seem to be fully committed to the ideology though, he had real criticisms of Jordan Peterson and he seemed to be an environmentalist. He honestly just kinda seems like a normal, if privileged, person. He has a mix of political ideas, some which don't necessarily mesh, and is willing to criticize some of the people he agrees with.

But if anything him being someone who seemed to like CEOs, who grew up pretty wealthy, being radicalized by the industry is kinda a stronger message about how unless you're one of the corporate elite you don't matter to them.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Very few people fit neatly into a political label. We tend to be all over the place on political issues.

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[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You know… as common as it is to label and group and classify people online, I just don’t think that generally works the vast majority of the time.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

There goes my heroooo

[–] psyklax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

I appreciate you posting this here. I had not read a manifesto yet that sounded like it was legitimately his. This one seems internally consistent at least, as if it was written by a real person. Can never be sure.

In this one, it seems there's nothing for me to dislike, which makes me believe it was written by a real person, but even more cautious about believing it. I had, until now, only heard negative (from my pov) things about him. It is unusual for something like this to leak. The media tries it's best to keep the lid on contagious ideas. (Another reason to be incredulous)

I expect the media will try to give both sides something to dislike about him, to discourage idolatry and imitation. Feels like some 1984/Brave New World style social engineering to me.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Just exactly how is this a "manifesto?"

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