lemmy.world has been defederated at least by beehaw.org. If you want to participate there you will indeed have to make an account in another instance. IDK about other instances though. Also sometimes posts don't propagate to other instances since population here just exploded. Lemmy's software stack is being developed to handle the higher demand better.
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2023
12 points (100.0% liked)
No Stupid Questions
35822 readers
1989 users here now
No such thing. Ask away!
!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules (interactive)
Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.
All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.
Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.
Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.
Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.
Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.
Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.
That's it.
Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.
Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.
Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.
On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.
If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.
Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.
If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.
Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.
Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.
Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.
Let everyone have their own content.
Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.
Credits
Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!
The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
It would be cool to have some sort of federation map, that shows which communities have federated and which have not. Maybe it already exists?
EDIT: After a quick google I found this article
https://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-map-of-fediverse.html
that mentions
which should show which instances are federated. But at the moment it doesn't seem to work for me. Just loads infinitely until "something went wrong" pops up.
lemmymap.feddit.de is a map that shows a few things. Clicking blocked shows the corresponding connections. It doesn't show the direction, but hovering over will show you an instances number of blocks. Some of the data could be wrong, though. Last I checked every instance is listed as no downvotes. The defederation with beehaw showed up pretty quickly though.
One note, maybe don't click the 'open' checkbox because that tries to show every connection and blows up my browser!
Oh nice, this actually exists. But not very usable - I just get a big cloud of text and it's very difficult to get a sense of what's being shown.
It's incredibly fiddly, lol. As a tool for understanding some of the fediverse's concepts I've found it marginally useful
Ah, for that, yes. But for checking status of certain instance connections, not really.
@Hedup Try https://lemmy.world/instances
e: Also by region or whatever you want https://joinfediverse.wiki/Instances
Ah, thanks. Looks like beehaw.org is still federated with lemmy.world, but just in one direction since at https://beehaw.org/instances lemmy.world is in the blocked list.
I'm no expert here, but I believe Beehaw defederating from lemmy.world means that people on Beehaw don't see content from people on lemmy.world, and people on lemmy.world can see but can't contribute to content on Beehaw. If lemmy.world defederated Beehaw, it would go the other direction.
Then they aren’t federated and likely won’t see posts, right? If instance A defederates from Instance B, no matter what instance B does, they don’t talk.
@MadCybertist @SonNeedGym @hydra @Hedup Yep. They might seem like there talking but you will be talking to yourself. They have to federate to be able to talk and see all there comments and post. you might see some stuff now cause its cached but once they reboot or whatever you won't see anything
So the answer to your original question is yes, some instances are closed off from others, but you didn't mess anything up. Instance A can "defederate" from Instance B, which makes it so that users of either instance cannot see or interact with content or users from the other instance. This is unilateral- even if Instance B does not defederate Instance A, it is still blocked from seeing or interacting with Instance A.
However, with regards to your later questions, you didn't mess anything up. It's simply that federation is not retroactive. When the first person from Instance A subscribes to something from Instance B, the two instances are then federated, and content begins being shared from that point forward. It does not retroactively add old content from Instance B to Instance A. For now, it matters relatively heavily, as instances are being federated constantly, even though the content flow is somewhat light. As content flow increases and new instances begin to stabilize, it will matter less. As time goes on, the content "before federation" will be vastly outweighed by the content "after federation".
This is all somewhat compounded by the fact that lemmy instances are absolutely slammed right now. Kbin.social had to defederate entirely for a while just to keep from crashing. Give it time for the spike to stabilize and it will work more smoothly.
Ah, retroactive federation makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much for your detailed response, it's a great ELI5!
You're very welcome, I'm glad it was helpful. I'm still learning about all this myself.
lol ok. so if I'm reading right: members of the Reddit v Mod Refugee's club is giving lemmy and kbin.social the old slashdot effect. And to keep the server from protesting the enormous number of newbies coming. The server admins decided to unlink from other servers who were like: uh what's up bro our instance are being spammed. and kbin.social said: : uuuuh, er uuuh helpme. ok let me turn of content sharing and check the logs.
But you say things should get better?
I'm guessing the specific dates it struggled were around the saturday to monday.
Sorry if this is a silly question but. Let's say I have an account on kbin, and kbin hasn't been federated with instance B yet. I would need to subscribe to a community from instance B and from that point on they would be federated right? But how would I even subscribe if kbin can't see any communities from instance B before they are federated?
It's not a silly question at all, and it's one of the most unintuitive parts of the Fediverse. The most straightforward way is to go to the community you want to subscribe to (you can see a fairly comprehensive list at browse.feddit.de). Copy the URL from that community. Go back to Kbin and paste that URL into the search bar. If it doesn't show up immediately, wait a few seconds then refresh, and it should.
There is some shorthand to how you can search- for example, searching "!(community name)@(instance home URL)" works as well, but Kbin in particular is a bit odd because it uses an @ for both community and instance, instead of the rest of Lemmy which uses the !. Like I said, the most straightforward way is just to copy the URL itself and figure out the shortcuts later.
Could be, that they are out of sync. Maybe overloaded. Not enough capacity/bandwidth?
Some instances are defederating from other instances due to the increased moderation workloads. This will hopefully improve once better moderation tools exist.
It could also be a technical issue, some instances are not configured correctly to federate at the speeds currently needed. This post on lemmy.ml details how to increase federation speed to handle the influx of new content.
Other than that, it could be servers are overloaded and federation back logs exist. I'm not aware of any other issues hampering federation at the moment, but they could definitely exist.
Hopefully this all clears up in time with support from the community.