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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Can’t remember exactly where or about whom I reported but it was to the effect of “someone please kill [this person]” (lemmy.cafe)
submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Disclaimer: Fuck the rich and please consider reading 1 paragraph before you go to comments to explain how I am a bootlicker. Thank you ٩(•͈ ꇴ •͈)و ̑̑❀

For context, I generally report all calls to violence, no matter who the “victim” is, whether they are a public figure or an anonymous user. I didn’t even register that the person I was “defending” was rich—I’m just aware that calls to violence are against most instances’ terms of service (due to legal threats). Genuinely sorry seahorse! I wish you just had something in your instance sidebar or even spoke to me instead of jumping to ban and “lib” insults!

Unverifiable information you will have to take my word for (per community rules)
Apologized to seahorse and got:

My own personal curiosities only adjacently relatedCorrect me if I’m wrong, isn’t this a bit of an abuse of federation? This is the same admin that pulled the move with the doxxing of Nick Fuentes. By banning users for reporting content that may violate our local instance rules, seahorse is making our local instances harder to moderate for our admins. (Honestly I respect the commitment to the running a very open and uncensored instance, but until Lemmy has the option to only report to local admins versus local & federated authorities, this may not be the best strategy?)

Anyway, this is pretty interesting. I’m honestly not too pressed about this (mostly I will miss !theonion@midwest.social) and curious what yall think. :)

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Okay, that listed reason is so five-year-old-on-a-sugar-high that I ain't even mad. Like, it goes beyond power tripping into comedy via absurdity.

However, if you're running around playing playground monitor, I can't say I blame them. Report abuse is a thing, and depending on how far you're taking it, it could well be absurdist as well

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll be honest 'libbity lib lib' has now made me laugh multiple times while scrolling.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

Almost sounds like Mary Poppins

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Obviously I didn’t keep count but I can’t have made more than maybe 1-3 reports in the last day? Believe me I hear you though! That’s why I was so apologetic to him and reached out before posting here. I hate to he a nuisance and genuinely just try to help people out haha.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's not much, imo. Certainly not nuisance or troll levels at all. Hell, I don't think I would even notice that many considering that word of mouth has most instances generating at least dozens of reports a day. Not that word of mouth is exactly reliable, but as a rough guesstimate of things, someone making good faith reports at that frequency is nothing.

For damn sure it would merit a "bugger off" before even a temp ban

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I invite anyone reading this comment to time themselves on how long it takes to DM me “chill with the reports or ban” and report back

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Seconds.

I've had a mod DM me in reply to a report exactly once (and they replied to my reply, so maybe twice). It's not difficult for them.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I have had mods do it probably half a dozen times from various communities. A couple were to say thanks, some were to ask for clarification on why I reported. One instance I was reporting every single abusive comment of a user who had gone under the radar for weeks and they were just like “yo you can stop reporting we are working on it.” 😅

All of those times I was grateful for the open and candid communication.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

PTB

I've verified the modlog. @seahorse@midwest.social actually banned someone with the rational that they were reporting calls to violence.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

An admin. How unfortunate. Looks like I'll be leaving Lordofthememes on Midwest.social

[–] kabi@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

PugJesus "defederating" from you is a larger loss than most complete instances would be

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I was only an occasional poster on Lordofthememes, so it won't be a major loss for them XD

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It really feels like the mod tools of lemmy need to be a bit more fine grained. A button to ignore all further reports from a person would have gone a long way here.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

as an admin, what would you think about separate buttons to report to local mods versus the mods of the community’s host instance?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've already suggested similar myself

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 weeks ago

hell yeah im so big brain (im not) thanks for your response!

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[–] f314@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Libbity lib lib

Who tf is this? Elmer Fudd?

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Usually if numerous frivolous reports were getting on someone's nerves they would warn you first. I'm guessing there was a big backlog to clear around certain comments. Thanks for making reports, even if I wouldn't completely agree with the threshold you use, personally.

"Libbity lib lib..." is a non-reason for a community ban, the admin in question would be better off being honest and just ban you from the instance with the reason "i'm tired of getting your stupid reports", and be done with it.

It's fine for an admin to run things the way they want, but handling it in this unclear way reflects poorly on them, and the silly reason just shows how much someone can be stuck up their own ass.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The "honest reason" is that the moderator in question disagrees with OP.

The moderator believes that the wealthy should be punished corporally for the catastrophic harm they have inflicted upon humanity for generations through their parasitism and believes that it is morally right to champion such punishment.

OP has demonstrated the position that calling for this punishment is morally wrong.

This was an impasse.

The moderator decided that opinions such as OP's are not welcome there, and therefore chose to remove OP.

We're not going to find detached impassive professionalism or even-handedness here, no matter how hard we dig for it. It's just politically motivated suppression of opposed opinions through and through.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I get that and I agree that that could be the admin's intent. Admins can have opinions and operate their server based on them. What reflects poorly on this admin is how they handle it immaturely in a hexbearish fashion, when the same opinion can be expressed a lot more clearly.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

beyond the immaturity, what’s much more confusing to me is why there is a need to moralize the report button, both from the admin and the comments here.

when i click “report” it’s never to try to do censorship or push an agenda or something. it’s genuinely a “hey i found this that either violates your rules or might get you in legal trouble if it happens a lot, address it if you want but in the end it’s totally your call.” i personally think that’s the appropriate use of the feature? there’s a reason the icon is a flag, not a middle finger haha

but i guess i am learning other people are really into using reports as a “personal grievances” tool or something, and they are projecting that understanding of the tool back on to me.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

OP has demonstrated the position that calling for this punishment is morally wrong.

False. If you reread my post (or read it for the first time, perhaps) you will find three key statements:

  • I generally report all calls to violence, no matter who the “victim” is.
  • I didn’t even register that the person I was “defending” was rich.
  • I have no interest in protecting the rich—just keeping the instances I know and love up and running.

Depending on an instance’s local government situation, instance admins can be held liable by law for hosting certain content, and therefore many instances have rules against calls to violence. I don’t even agree it’s a morally good or optimal system, it’s just how it is.

Out of this understanding, along with reporting the much more common slurs, racism, sexism, etc. I occasionally also report calls to violence. This is not out of any political interest; I am just helping admins keep house.

Anyway, thank you for your suuuuuper good-faith reading of my post, and I trust you’ll do the same for this comment. /s

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for your feedback, and I can definitely get behind all of this

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

!theonion@sh.itjust.works

Probably worth boycotting the main onion community and using this secondary one.

the secondary one was made in the past in response to shitty moderation on midwest.social affecting their onion community, so this isn’t a one time thing, it’s a patterm.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

'Libbity lib lib'

How utterly bizarre

PTB

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

i remember when the word liberal was a tool to define policy, now it’s just a toy word to throw around when upset these days 👵

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure it was, grandma, let's get you back to bed

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 2 weeks ago

angry old lady grumbling noises

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Also in case anyone was wondering, the “victim” wasn’t Brian Thompson or any other CEO. He’s already dead (lol) and I specifically can say for sure I have intentionally never reported a comment about him because of my personal sympathy with the oppressed individuals under his watch. Again I don’t remember who it was. :/

If seahorse had put a rule regarding his preference in the sidebar(s), a pinned post… or even reached out or anything…

…Well I wouldn’t be making this post lmao. As it stands I was banned for a “rule” that’s entirely undocumented.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I have intentionally never reported a comment about him because of my personal sympathy with the oppressed individuals under his watch.

Reported for not actively opposing violence for all god's creatures.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Reported for not actively supporting violence for all god's creatures (existence is suffering, and suffering is wrong)

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 weeks ago

sorry :’( contrary to recent rumors i don’t really fit the bill of ‘libbity lib lib’ ⍝^◕ᴗ◕^⍝

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[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Fucking mods, there should be a way for people of that instance to vote kick shitty mods.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 21 points 2 weeks ago

Vote with your presence. Leaving instances and communities managed by power tripping admins and mods is the only bargaining power members have.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Agree, yet this is even worse as it’s an admin lmao. Permanent feature to midwest.social.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

Time to leave midwest.social

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Disappointing.

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[–] franklin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I understand what you're saying, but violence is necessary.

Peaceful protest is all but impossible and uneffective in the current political landscape.

I don't think we can take back our world through political means anymore. The rich have been waging a culture war and winning it. And if you don't believe me, just look at the fascist tilt in recent elections.

I'd love to be proven wrong but the longer I look at the situation, the more it seems like a return to the guillotine is the way to go.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thanks for your comment :) I also fully agree with what you are saying. Check out any number of my historical comments to see how much I fucking hate the rich. It was JFK who said “Those who make peaceful protest impossible make violent revolution inevitable.” I absolutely believe that the wealthy should face punishment for their violent crimes against the lower and middle classes for centuries.

But! You are just talking past my point here. I didn’t report out of a political motive at all, I reported because some admins might face legal trouble from their local government, the same as I report the much more common racism, sexism or harassment. See here for a longer summary: https://lemmy.cafe/comment/8831214

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[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

I’m just aware that calls to violence are against most instances

I'm not sure if this is true. At least is not true for the midwest.social instance and, according to the lateral bar of your instance, it seems it's also not forbidden in lemmy.cafe

If they had their account flowed with similar reports and is a temporal ban: YDI. If their requested you to stop sending frivolous reports: YDI.

Other cases: PTB

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t this a bit of an abuse of federation? [...] By banning users for reporting content that may violate our local instance rules, [other admins are] making our local instances harder to moderate for our admins. ([...] but until Lemmy has the option to only report to local admins versus local & federated authorities, this may not be the best strategy?)

Idk if "abuse of federation" is the right term, but it's definitely something. A more simplistic example might be things like different instances having different rules on what is and isn't considered NSFW. If you local instance is more strict (lewd = NSFW) but the other instance more loose (nude = NSFW), then the other instance might view your reports as spam. I'm not entirely sure what a good approach is to this while maintaining a simple UX. My current understanding (which might be a little wrong, please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll update the comment) is that reports get sent to three groups.

  1. The reported content's community's moderators.
  2. The reported content's creator's instance's admins. This is the one I'm least sure about.
  3. The reporter's instance's admins.
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 weeks ago

I share that understanding. Thanks for your response. I initially planned to include a similar NSFW example in my post but removed it to avoid distracting those already not reading and labeling me a bootlicker. 😅

db0 (admin of this instance) has also agreed elsewhere in this thread that separate report buttons for different moderating groups are a good idea.

Your phrasing, “Not abuse of federation but definitely something,” captures it well. It's an unfortunate mix of imperfect UX and imperfect administration.

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