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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe they voted against the incumbent so overwhelmingly because things are hard.

People vote based on their feelings.

When they were feeling pain, the message from the Dems was about how great the economy was, but the reality is that the stock market and GDP don't speak to the quality of life of these people. To them the Dems saying how great things were was dismissive of their real concerns.

Meanwhile, Trump latched onto their fears and concerns. Yeah, his policies are idiotic, and millions will suffer and be in worse shape. But when they said they couldn't pay the mortgage or buy groceries, he listened. The Democrats didn't because they've abandoned the working class that should be their backbone.

[–] And009@reddthat.com 3 points 5 hours ago

Sounds like making an avg citizen feel heard was the Trump card

[–] JDTIV@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

This doesn't really tell the fully story, 1/3 of MA's pop. Still voted for Trump...

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Some states need to lose their right to self govern

[–] isaaclw@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago

Post civil war, the USA should have imposed rules that enforced integration.

They didn't have the will, and now we reap the consequences as a nation, to have the south still stuck in the moral degradation that comes with dehumanizing a portion of our population to the point of enslavement.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 73 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Another way to view this is that the poor are voting republican now. Trump won those making less than $100,000 handedly while Harris won those making above. Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

The democrats are slowly becoming the party of the out of touch elite, and memes like this don't help. The democrats need to be putting forward solutions to those problems, and trump has shown it doesn't matter if they're viable or will actually help. If these "dumb poor people are rubes who will fall for anything" give them something to fall for. Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

[–] yogi_pogi@lemmy.world 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

This is exactly what I was pointing out to my friends. Every one of us are making six figures, and could not understand why anybody would vote Trump.

And I asked them how many people in their lives are poor, living paycheck to paycheck. I have family members who are working two or three jobs to get by. All the work Biden did is not being seen or recognized by them.

Are they are under-educated yokels? Are they morons for not keeping up with politics? You can call them what ever you want. Theyre still a voter.

Face it: what they're hearing from Democrats vs what they're hearing from Trump are pretty clear cut and we can stay in this echo chamber all we want on Lemmy. Those folks aren't listening to us. They're just trying to survive and will vote accordingly.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Six figures? Lucky you.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 42 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

That was basically Harris' tax plan.

What Would Kamala Harris's Tax Plans Mean For You? | Kiplinger - https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/kamala-harriss-tax-plans-2024

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter what your platform is if it's not communicated effectively to the median voter

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 36 points 12 hours ago (11 children)

How do you communicate effectively to someone with their fingers in their ears screaming nananananananana? Please advise, oh political oracle.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 5 hours ago

Trump seemed to get through.

Democrats are forbidden by their patrons from using too much populist rhetoric. That's the number one reason why they fail to connect with what has become a very populist country, thanks to decades of wealth transfer to the top.

Bernie used populist language and the Democratic establishment pulled out all the stops to give us "anybody but Bernie". Now we are living the consequences.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You go on Joe Rogan for one. Kamala ran the last presidential campaign that will ever rely so heavily on the legacy media apparatus. This whole cycle proved that they are only broadcasting to themselves and real people are elsewhere on podcasts, twitter and YT.

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[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

And yet. Manufacturing was down under trump in 2016 even before covid hit and under Biden manufacturing is the highest it's been in decades.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

he also proposed nuking a hurricane...

but yes, democratic leaders have left us, so it's easy to say both sides are corrupt, especially as long as insider trading and conflicts of interest are OK to them.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The Democrats must be doing something right, if their states have better everything.

Maybe if the Republicans would listen to us, we could all have the best schools and hospitals.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

They don't have better retention rates.

CA, NY, IL and MA are all in the top 5 for states that have the most people leaving.

TX, FL, NC and AZ are attracting the most people.

Massachusetts has priced out average people. If you aren't the inheritor of some generational wealth you have a better chance of being upwardly mobile elsewhere.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

That really has mostly to do with the high cost of living. And it's going to be high in an area inhabited by businesses on the cutting edge of technology. Those jobs have high wages because they need highly educated people, and highly educated people come from the best universities in the country, many of which are in Boston, and Cambridge. Not to mention the great schools in commuter range in Providence and Worcester.

Red states don't have higher education, and they don't have innovative industry, so they don't have the population density issues that blue states have.

Maybe if red states had these things, they'd have a high cost of living, too.

Most of the people fleeing MA for those states are working remotely for their companies still in MA. Mostly DINKS and young (primarily male) single professionals that don't really have public education or healthcare as any sort of immediate concern. That's gonna lead to problems when the average age of red state populations inverts itself. Better make sure that they can't not have babies.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 169 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

if living in russia taught me anything, people in distress reduce themselves (and got reduced) to the most basic questions, like who is to blame, and populists have them like a piece of cake.

Most vatniks, not unlike MAGAs, don't have answers to many questions, they want to be left alone to manage the hole they happened to be born into, and the promise of a candidate or ideology that does just that or even paints their quest as a herioic one, or a sacred sacrifice, would win again and again until there is someone to work with that and educate them.

They are used to live in shit and depend on themselves, don't know anything better and become pretty jealous if others get that. Others having it worse, especially their 'enemies', kinda makes their own living more bearable. Their struggle is a downpainment for a mission of punishing the unworthy ones.

When a person is downscaled to that childish level of consciousness it's impossible to reach them with rhetorics that don't directly benefit them.

As long as they continue to be like that and their thoughts are unchallenged, they'd always vote maga.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And as they continue to vote against their own interests it becomes a self-perpetuating system.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

If you look at the impacts to their lives from the Clinton presidency, it is understandable that they would think that Democracts are not necessarily working in their interests.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago

I haven't seen an analysis from your perspective before. Lines up very well with my experience from the Southern US.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 33 points 15 hours ago

Really well said

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Now, I have to hope our state Gov't can do everything possible to keep up the laws and quality to protect us.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 78 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I love the "Have you actually considered that the state doing the worst under consistent Republican policy is voting because they're unhappy with the DEMONRAT status quo???"

They really don't give a shit about consistency in their arguments. People have or lack responsibility for their moral and political choices according to whatever suits their "LIBERALS BAD" talking point of the day.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 44 points 15 hours ago

Republicans have had a vice grip on our state and local politics for 40 years...BUT ITS THE LIBRULS FAULT

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 93 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
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[–] wieson@feddit.org 19 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

Wasn't Oklahoma supposed to be given back to the native tribes? Like more than 50% of it?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

It was. And in fact the Supreme Court ruled in McGirt v. Oklahoma that the reservations still exist. One consequence is that Google Maps now shades the entire eastern half of the state in dark shading showing the borders between the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and so forth.

The tribal governments are taking an increasing role in providing public services to all of the citizens within their borders, as the civil state government descends deeper into libertarianism.

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