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Side note: what happened to all the 3rd party chuds after the election? I guess they're all just going to sit on their hands and do fuck all until 4 years from now when they need to heroically arrive on the scene and convince everybody to toss away their vote for someone they just heard about because they're mad at the inevitable Dem centrist pick.
idk man, if the DNC won't run a progressive, why can't we get a grassroots movement behind one?
They lost the election by running an essentially republican candidate. Fingers crossed for a progressive chair.
Jesus. They’ve learned nothing:
He added, “Trump really kind of ran up numbers everywhere, you know what I mean? There was clearly a strategy not focusing on one place or another. And as a party we have to do that.”
THATS NOT WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED.
Trumps numbers barely moved.
Harris’s numbers PLUMMETED compared to Trump’s 4 years ago. Start there. That’s where you need to start this postmortem.
Frankly more people were excited about Tim Walz then Kamala Harris. Let's get more MN politicians in there instead of people from the coasts. The focus on getting someone from the Midwest is the only good news I see. We need someone from Minnesota, Wisconsin or Michigan to lead the party from the inside. They might be fully progressive but understand how to organize and message to everyone. They can't just float by on politics as usual
So either we are to believe they've learned nothing and will continue to alienate their base, while remaining inept fools on the international stage, OR their idea of rebuilding a carbon copy of the previous failures is by design.
A centrist DNC is a loser. A center-right DNC is a loser. The DNC will never beat the Republicans at their own game, so either these strategists are the densest people on the planet, or they are the mouthpieces of Controlled Opposition, exactly as expected.
There is no duality in which savvy, intelligent political players arrive at "Centrism wins," without some inherent greasy, malfeasant ulterior motives.
It's difficult to even pretend that they are serious in this endeavor; their every action and utterance is an admission of planned incompetence.
There is no duality in which savvy, intelligent political players arrive at "Centrism wins,"
Obama and Clinton were centrists. They won.
Clinton won in 1993. The late 1900s. 30+ years ago.
Obama's entire campaign was on Hope for Change. And he's the first black President ever.
Are you really trying to argue that these are equivalences?
Clinton and Obama are still alive today, they are still centrist, and they are still extremely popular.
If Trump got his way and was allowed to run for a third term in 2028, is there any doubt that Obama could defeat him?
They've already decided who's taking over, nothing the progressives do will shift the needle.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is the Democrat way.
Is abolishing the DNC an option? Otherwise, we're wasting valuable time.
I remain convinced that any effective resistance to Trump and MAGA will have to come from outside the Democratic Party.
I'm sure that the same people who couldn't deliver Bernie Sanders an overwhelming win in 2020 can suddenly become savvy pols who can just put together a national third party.
If you want action, do what AOC and the others in her squad did. Work inside the Dem party.
Take a lesson from the right. Back in the 1970s Jerry Falwell decided to take control of the GOP. He did it from the ground up. If the local GOP club had had twenty people show up to the last meeting to pick the next county clerk, Falwell's people would show up with fifty people. Soon those county clerks and sheriffs were becoming Congresspeople and Senators.
Politics is a game and the left sucks at playing it.
I really wish they would put out a survey for voters. Some way to collect data about what people actually want. Like a huge survey, let every registered dem fill it out.
If they're talking about running some bland business-as-usual candidate then that'll lose. People want change.
Based on their track record I have no faith in progress.
So, to solve the problem of the left not voting them, they are moving further to the right.
Yeah, America, I'm sorry to tell you but you are screwed. You have 4 years to either behead the dnc and turn it into a left wing party, or greate an actual left party.
Otherwise, you're going to be eating fascism fo dinner until you implode.
Well for that to happen Nancy and Chuck have to kick the bucket first
So, to solve the problem of the left not voting them, they are moving further to the right.
I humbly disagree. This seems to be an overly simplified view.
The origins of "the far left" (as I understood it) was basically promoting heavy government involvement. For example, breaking up monopolies, many government subsidied programs for it's people, which in turn needs higher taxes for it people (so the rich get taxed more, the poor get taxed less).
The origins of "the far right" was the polar opposite. No government involvement. Companies will do "what's right" in order to compete for profit, less tax on it people, as there are fewer government processes/programs (because people have more personal wealth and can afford the programs that are relevant for them).
"the center" was in the middle of these two extremes. The understanding is that there needs to be some government involvement to prevent companies from going unchecked, not all people have equal chances in life resulting in some people needing more/less government assistance, ect. Yet, also acknowledging that the Stalin form of socialism fights against the basic human desire to "work to make their lives better" and companies (when left to their own devices) cannot be absolutely trusted to do "what's right" for society.
The problem with the DNC and the 2024 election is that the media has perverted what "the far left" aka Democrats and "the far right" aka Republicans (and this has been going on for years).
Based on your line of "left vs right", I'd argue that the Republican party is "close to" my definition of "the far right" (fascism aside). Yet, the Democratic Party is actually closer to "the far right" than they are "the far left". I'd even go so far as to say, that the Democratic Party is far "right of center".
So, yeah, I totally support moving the DNC towards the center, because it'll (finally) make the Democratic Party closer to their "far left" ideals.
The origins of “the far left” (as I understood it) was basically promoting heavy government involvement. For example, breaking up monopolies, many government subsidied programs for it’s people, which in turn needs higher taxes for it people (so the rich get taxed more, the poor get taxed less).
People on the far left were actually interested in expropriation of private property and a more egalitarian distribution of those resources and decisionmaking. They also wanted actual democracy (as in power to the people) rather than Democracy™ where it's only for a handful of the population who aren't getting actively disenfranchised.
If you nationalize industries you get to use the profits directly, rather than messing around with taxes after the fact.
nationalizing industries will kill innovation and improvements and isnt necessary. you just need to structure the system to promote worker cooperatives instead of corporations. you get the best of both worlds.
I love how they think the best way forward is to become the embodiment of the election strategy that just failed so spectacularly for Harris. Brilliant.
2016: "We don't need to change! Look at our opponent, Trump!"
2020: "We'll pretend to be M4A. But the main thing is beating Trump! Worry about change later!"
2024: "We lost, but we did everything right. Americans are the problem. Anyways, Trump is in his last term, so why change?"
Then make sure to tell the people actually voting for the chair to give the pushback they need to see that's a mistake. Change is only going to come when we speak up
I'm more interested in mobilizing people outside of the electoral process at this point.
I will continue to vote but, on a national level, I no longer believe that lasting meaningful change will happen at the ballot box.
I have even less faith in the DNC ability to drive that change regardless of who is the chair. I think the best hope in that regard is an insurgent campaign a'la Bernie 2016/2020, and even then...idk.
There is power where there is people, the DNC seem to see this as an inconvenience. People are where I'm interested in spending my energy now.
Spending meaningful political capital on the DNC seems about as effective as that billion dollars in donations was for the Harris campaign this cycle.
Not discouraging anyone from doing it, as much as encouraging y'all to put the work in outside of the electoral process.
You do you.
Remember when they picked Tom Perez, the croaking geezer, over Kieth Ellison. Your voice won't be heard because that's not who they're listening for.
Centrist Democrats are revolting.
As they begin to dissect their collapse in the presidential election, some Democratic National Committee members are concluding that the party is too “woke,” too focused on identity politics and too out of touch with broad stretches of America.
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Or as one DNC member from Florida put it: “I don’t want to be the freak show party, like they have branded us. You know, when you’re a mom with three kids, and you live in middle America and you’re just not really into politics, and you see these ads that scare the bejesus out of you, you’re like, ‘I know Trump’s weird or whatever, but I would rather his weirdness that doesn’t affect my kids.’”
Aka the libs want to turn on trans people.
Point me to a moment during the last campaign that Kamala promoted identity politics. The very most important thing we should do is to nit listen to pundits.
Point me to a moment during the last campaign that Kamala promoted identity politics.
They can't. But the alternative is admitting that moving to the right has failed, and centrists will never do that.
Middle America is about 20y behind the rest of us, this is the 90s gay marriage situation all over again. If the DNC actually wants to win elections they need to stop putting narrow identity groups front and center and run on their track record of positive economic policy for everyone or they're going to lose every election for the next 20y (barring those won by voter backlash over catastrophic Republican admin fuck-ups.)
The DNC went too far down the identity politics rabbit hole and hasn't quite realized that people in the identity demographics they want to Jenga together into 270 EC votes are willing to vote for the other side because they're not happy with the DNC's corporate profit economy.
The critical flaw in the DNC's 20y old identity politics strategy is the assumption that these identity groups are monolithic. It's a prejudiced as hell position to take that "these are the interests of all women" or "these are the interests of all black people" and yet that's what the DNC has tried to do for the last three elections running. It should be painfully obvious at this point that this doesn't work: women, PoC and Muslims voted for Trump in droves (or stayed home in protest) despite the front and center spending to bring those groups on side this election. Everyone's tired of performative pandering and wants real economic and policy reform to help recover some of what was lost to the last couple of economic crashes and to inflation.
The meme is already stale but JFC they've learned nothing from the last two election losses - the Harris campaign was the 2016 Clinton campaign minus the fundraising dinners on Wall St.
Middle America is about 20y behind the rest of us, this is the 90s gay marriage situation all over again. If the DNC actually wants to win elections they need to stop putting narrow identity groups front and center
The RNC did that. Democratic candidates, in their trademark panicked cowardice, parroted right wing bigotry about boys in girls' sports in their own campaign ads.
Most of the time, when Democrats mentioned trans people at all, they were making sure to let everyone know that they didn't have their backs. Add that to breaking solidarity with Muslim voters, and you have a party that broadcasted that it was eager to throw vulnerable populations under the bus.
The conservative media machine has been splitting wedges between groups basically forever, it's a convenient way to pit people against each other.
The DNC, in their infinite wisdom, took that political landscape and instead of bringing everyone together in a big tent decided to pick out specific identity groups to pander to and drove the original wedges clean through.
I'm almost convinced the DNC wants to lose at this point, they seem pretty content with the position of professional minority opposition - it's a convenient place to be if you want to fundraise endlessly.
Aka the libs want to turn on trans people.
The DNC aren't liberals. They're center-right.
Please spread, cross post, share, whatever; wherever you can. People should have input into the democratic policy platform, but they're so brazen as to say the "center is where we need to be".
These people, these few hundred people, are a big problem with the democratic party.
We need to take the narrative back from centrists. It can be done by telling the DNC what to do, not the other way around.
Does the article tell us how to cast a vote? I skimmed it and couldn’t find a link to where I could at least send an email.
It's not voted on directly, you are going to want to talk to your state's party chair to try to convince them vote on the type of chair like you would a congress person on a vote for something. In the body of the post, you can find how to find your state's party chair
Here's the table copied over:
| State | Chair | | | State | Chair |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alabama | Randy Kelley | | | Montana | Robyn Driscoll |
| Alaska | Mike Wenstrup | | | Nebraska | Jane Kleeb |
| American Samoa | Patrick Ti'a Reid[15] | | | Nevada | Daniele Monroe-Moreno |
| Arizona | Yolanda Bejarano | | | New Hampshire | Raymond Buckley |
| Arkansas | Grant Tennille | | | New Jersey | LeRoy J. Jones, Jr. |
| California | Rusty Hicks | | | New Mexico | Jessica Velasquez |
| Colorado | Shad Murib | | | New York | Jay Jacobs |
| Connecticut | Nancy DiNardo | | | North Carolina | Anderson Clayton |
| Delaware | Elizabeth D. Maron | | | North Dakota | Adam Goldwyn |
| District of Columbia | Charles Wilson | | | Ohio | Liz Walters |
| Florida | Nikki Fried | | | Oklahoma | Alicia Andrews |
| Georgia | Nikema Williams | | | Oregon | Rosa Colquitt |
| Guam | Anthony Babauta[16] | | | Pennsylvania | Sharif Street |
| Hawaii | Derek Turbin | | | Puerto Rico | Charles Rodriguez |
| Idaho | Lauren Necochea[17] | | | Rhode Island | Liz Beretta-Perik |
| Illinois | Elizabeth Hernandez | | | South Carolina | Christale Spain |
| Indiana | Mike Schmuhl | | | South Dakota | Shane Merrill |
| Iowa | Rita Hart | | | Tennessee | Hendrell Remus |
| Kansas | Jeanna Repass | | | Texas | Gilberto Hinojosa |
| Kentucky | Colmon Elridge | | | U.S. Virgin Islands | Carol M. Burke[18] |
| Louisiana | Randal Gaines | | | Utah | Diane Lewis |
| Maine | Bev Uhlenhake | | | Vermont | David Glidden |
| Maryland | Ken Ulman | | | Virginia | Susan Swecker |
| Massachusetts | Steve Kerrigan | | | Washington | Shasti Conrad |
| Michigan | Lavora Barnes | | | West Virginia | Mike Pushkin |
| Minnesota | Ken Martin | | | Wisconsin | Ben Wikler |
| Mississippi | Cheikh Taylor | | | Wyoming | Joe Barbuto |
| Missouri | Russ Carnahan | | | Democrats Abroad | Martha McDevitt-Pugh |
Texas' Hinojosa, when asked about Democrats' willingness to stand for trans rights, said the only part out loud: "I think what the Democratic Party has to realize is that there's some things that we can support and some things that we cannot. And when we're pressed upon to take votes of these kinds that we need to be cognizant of the long term consequences of these kinds of votes."
He has since announced that he will be resigning effective March 2025, which is after the party elects a new chair. He has no incentive to listen. Not that he ever did. At least he's leaving. Good fucking riddance. It's a shame it didn't happen years ago, but he will not stand with trans people, and he absolutely will not move to the left under any circumstances.
I'm still going to do my bit and contact his office, but I harbor no illusions about him. What other avenues do Texans have?
Reading more about DNC chair elections, the state party's vice chair usually also votes for chair too (among others). For Texas, that's Shay Wyrick-Cathey (shay@txdemocrats.org)
For what it's worth it looks like his comments about trans people are what produced a large push to get the Texas Democratic party chair to step down. He said he was stepping down the day after he gave an apology
Can't find a way to contact CA guy, only a way to give him $
chair@cadem.org or also rusty@cadem.org seemed to be listed on various California Democratic Party documents for him
If anyone else is having any issues finding the contact emails, reply to me with a state and I can try to help you find it!
It's not like that boat will be tallied or even looked at, If you don't have millions of bucks to give them, you don't have a voice in government.
That's funny that you believe that your voice will be heard if you're not amongst the donor class. They only answered the money, something none of us have.
So uh, why is there an NY representative in the CA seat again? So much for local representation I guess.
If we don't have a state delegate should we just pick the closest state?
Lol