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For the people that don't want to scroll a bunch of stupid stories for the answers
Holy fucking shit, people are dumber than I thought. And I already thought they were pretty fucking dumb.
I know lots of people are really down on this but it seems like people just want change. We all know the system isn't working for most people right now and want something different.
Trump is different. Bad but different. If you have little hope make sense to break everything. If there's a real progressive change candidate people will be excited. Change is what is needed
This is something a lot of libs need to understand imo.
You can rail on about how Trump is going to end democracy until the cows come home, it's never going to sway voters. The average person is not doing very well and prospects look really bad for young people and democrats are refusing to acknowledge that things are broken. They are promising the status quo - and the status quo fucking sucks.
Agreed. Run on change for the better. Higher minimum wages, universal health care, paid sick time, paid maternity / paternity leave. This will get votes because people want something better in their pocket books. Student loan forgiveness was a great policy to run on. If it wasn't blocked in courts it would have given a huge boost to Biden.
Absolutely. Bernie Sanders is incredibly popular (on both sides) and Joe Rogan actually endorsed him in 2020. All this talk about Joe Rogan winning the election for republicans is hilarious when you think about it.
Their excuses are baffling. Harris didn't have policy. Okay, but Trump did? He kept walking about "concepts" of a plan, and lying about wanting P25. Trump is for the people? He is hanging out with, like, the national league of assholes and duchebags. "Harris was scary." BUT NAZIS AREN'T!?
Every single one of those answers is straight out of the mouths of Fox News. If you don't disable open nationwide propaganda broadcasts, you'll never fix the problem.
That would be true if every one of those answers didn't also strongly support AOC, Democrats, or Bernie.
That's the whole point of this exercise. A bunch of deep red voters citing Fox is expected and doesn't tell us anything new. When a bunch of deep vlue voters do that, something is going on.
We normally expect AOC and Bernie supporters to be very Blue. If Fox is resonating with those voters we should really be asking ourselves, "Why?"
Why is it that some Democrats hear Fox News and immediately judge them as naked propaganda while other Democrats give them consideration?
edit: grammar
There is no counter propaganda. When Trump lied and said that millions of migrants are coming over the border and committing crimes, the democrats turned around and tried to pass a republican border bill.
They could have counter messaged about how 1. millions were not coming across and 2. illegal immigrants are overwhelmingly just regular people who pay taxes and commit less crimes on average than citizens.
Can we please start holding the democrats responsible for their failures instead of blaming literally everything else.
Can we please start holding the democrats responsible
Can we please stop pretending that no one wants that and just making it the only answer every time someone wants someone to stop doing something else shitty? YES I want the democrats to be responsible for for a third party to make it in, but this broken record crap is getting old.
This is the problem. The grievances are largely not legitimate. They are regurgitated outrage of the day. The moment you deal it they are on to the next manufactured outrage.
I had to stop reading the replies she received; the stupidity made my head hurt. My hatred for humanity is growing by leaps and bounds daily. I think I'll be a full blown misanthrope within 2 or 3 days. It has become crystal clear that we need to pull the weeds out of the gene pool. I'm for instituting a national license program to breed. You may obtain a license if you can pass a test which consist of a common sense section and the civics section of the U.S. naturalization test. 🤨😁
Edit: For the morons that can't tell. This was fucking sarcasm.
Well the good news is that the probability of such a program happening has gone up.
The bad news is that you are disqualified if you have all your teeth or any kind of college degree.
That might be very true with incoming administration. 😁
trump only picked up 500,000 more votes than last time. Lets hear from the 10,000,000 that voted in 2020 but not this election
That parts easy. They voted against trump and got absolutely nothing for it. They went back to being non voters because the dems showed they weren't going to do anything better than trump just had.
Covid killed at least 1,104,000 people in the United States to date. In 2020, about 385,000 were killed with Covid as a contributing cause. I can't find numbers about the total deaths that occurred before election day specifically, but for the sake of simplicity I'm going to use the year total. Just note that the actual number of deaths by that time was somewhat lower.
We can subtract the number that had already passed in 2020 from the total number of deaths to date. That gives us over 716,000 people who died of Covid between the 2020 election and today, and therefore could not have voted in 2024. Also note that the 65+ crowd is historically the most reliable voting demographic by age and Covid laid into that same age group the hardest.
We can be upset at people who didn't turn out to vote this election, but we can't dismiss the significant chunk of 2020 voters who simply weren't alive by 2024.
Why does this even matter? We have an electoral college and turnout in the seven swings state met or exceeded 2020 turnout.
The lesson: some people just like disruption, and equate being against the status quo with being better than the status quo. I think any left-leaning candidate who tries to court these people in the future should tread very carefully.
They care more about the headlines you produce than your policies.
Good analysis:
"Ppl like her because she’s real. Ppl perceive Trump as real too. Dems need to do a better job of just being real with ppl. Coming on social media and chatting with ppl, etc."
That's why people liked Bernie too.
AOC is real.
But DJT is the most fictional character who's ever existed. Nothing he's ever said, done, or been has been true.
Sadly, we're stuck in the reality that allows his falsehoods to affect real humans.
Well, like the quoted person said:
Ppl perceive Trump as real too.
Now, I have no idea how anyone could possibly think that, unless they only get Trump sanewashed by their favorite news outlet.
You vastly, vastly overestimate the intelligence of the average person/voter.
Most Americans read and write at a 6th or 7th grade level.
Whoever was running Harris campaign needs to be barred from being in charge of any political campaign ever again; talk about legendary levels of mismanagement.
They had the golden opportunity to lean into the ‘weird’ meme and hammer Trump/Vance on that issue - but decided against it because it was what, ‘demeaning’?
The Dems need a firebrand, with a truely populist message and policies; rather than just lip service.
Democrats need to realize they're trying to win elections, not "Ribbon for Best Behaved Boy Scout Troop"
If you voted for trump and AOC you need to make sure you never leave home without your fucking helmet on. Fuck.
This is fucking nuts. Some of those answers are people being so uninformed and then acting like they're the ones that are informed. Some even voted for Trump because they think he's anti-war and will stop the Genocide in Gaza despite him wanting to turbocharge it. It's just. Fucking depressing. I don't know how to counter this. The far right has created a media ecosystem that allows them to feed trash into their viewers brains even if it's a blatant lie and those people will go from voting for a blatant racist and fascist who thinks people of color are not real Americans, to voting for a left leaning woman of color.
It's almost like they don't have any actual morals or beliefs and only care about being anti-establishment. Some say they'd vote for Bernie but instead voted for Trump despite them being completely opposite people. These people don't have media literacy. They've been brainwashed, and I don't know how to fix it.
I think long COVID has impacted more Americans than we realize. Everyone out there suffering from diminished capacities thinking that the fascist sex-pest goomba is somehow more reliable than the nice black lady. I dunno about you guys, but I've just been seeing a whole lot of mistakes lately. On television, in News, in articles, just... everywhere.
And while a lot of it is probably people quiet quitting and not giving a fuck, I think a lot more people are suffering from the extended brain fog of long COVID than we think, and it's affecting everything around us. Unfortunately, that includes voting practices in elections.
This is almost certainly a prime factor in everything now. And we'll never know, because everybody will look at you like you're a fucking terrorist if you so much as point out that covid never stopped being rampant.
mine isn't a brain fog but COVID and a trump presidency made me not trust humans at all.
i no longer trust friends, family, neighbors, governments, leaders, police, doctors, businesses. none of them maintained trust during the Trump presidency and the pandemic.
but i still vote straight ticket democrat. because their platform doesn't include NAZI-ism
The NYTimes wrote it out for me:
The playbook for transforming a democracy into a soft autocracy was clear: Win power with a populist message against elites. Redraw parliamentary districts. Change voting laws. Harass civil society. Pack courts with judges willing to support power grabs. Enrich cronies through corruption. Buy up newspapers and television stations and turn them into right-wing propaganda. Use social media to energize supporters. Wrap it up in an Us versus Them message: Us, the “real” Russians or Hungarians or Americans, against a rotating cast of Them: the migrants, the Muslims, the liberals, the gays, George Soros and on and on.
I appreciate the value of honesty and authenticity as key reasons people choose to support a candidate.
However, it is clear that Donald Trump often makes false statements.
Furthermore, Kamala Harris might have benefited from participating in more contemporary media formats, such as podcasts and Twitch streams, to enhance her outreach. Additionally, focusing less on appealing to Republican voters might have been advantageous, as this strategy CLEARLY contributed to her electoral loss.
Jesus christ, this is what unaffordable education does to people. For fucks sake. I mean it's only fitting for a population that can't figure out that someone advertising a 1/3lb burger and directly comparing it to the competition 1/4lb, bragging about the price being the same, might indicate that 1/3lb is more despite 3 being a smaller number. What a combination, people that belive their thoughts are the only source of truth while having no clue what they're talking about.
I honestly doubt people who vote for AOC and Trump in her district are in any way representative of the swing state voters that actually decide the election. Engagement is what went wrong, obviously, but how it went wrong in those two places can be very different.
My state actually overwhelmingly voted for a Blue Governor.... and a Red President
I couldnt care less for the why. If you voted Trump, a third party candidate or not at all you are responsible for the coming fascism you waste of cells
Understanding why something is broken is a crucial prerequisite for fixing it. If you don't care why it didn't work, then you don't care about making it work - you only care about being angry.
I sincerely hope that Democrats do care.
Like it or not, MAGA can currently take that attitude. They control the SC, both chambers of Congress, and the White House. If they decide to say, "Fsck it. We'll ignore the Demorcrats," they'll still have all the process in place to enact their agenda.
MAGA doesn't need to analyze what went wrong during the election. They got everything they wanted.
For at least the next 2 years, Democrats will be able to do nothing that Republicans don't approve of. The law says that they get to set the standards.
If Democrats want any chance of checking that power or reversing it at the next election, we are the ones who need to adapt.
There's an "ancient Chinese saying", "卧 薪 尝 胆". You don't do it because it's fun or because you obliged to, you do it so you can win next time.