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[–] nimomycelium@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

While I enjoy sex it is often an inverse proportion to the effort.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (27 children)

Wait so the idea is do not sleep with any men? Even men who support your views and rights? This just seems like it would radicalize more incels or generate more sexism. Like the average person who did everything they could is going to go on a date and be told "I'm not have sex until the government is fixed" which would make me say "ok, well, hit me up in 4 years."

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 13 points 5 days ago (49 children)

I mean, it isnt like it is the job of women to sleep with men in order to prevent them from becoming incels, that would be essentially like victim blaming at a population level. Im also not really sure that it would do much: most women arent going to do this, so the impact on average men's dating prospects is much smaller than the total lack of dating for any women that actually go through with it, but nobody is seriously suggesting that doing so will turn them into something akin to incels.

I dont expect this would really help much, beyond the obvious personal benefit that not becoming pregnant in a state that is hostile to women's reproductive health would have, but incels were going to hate and complain about women regardless of the sexual habits of those women, so I dont see it really making things worse in that regard either.

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[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Conservatives don’t want women to sleep around and have casual sex. So they make abortion illegal. In protest women stop having sex. Conservatives get exactly the outcome they wanted.

The Korean 4B movement is TERF on top.

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[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Vote for hate. Get no love.

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[–] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The 4B movement does have some issues with transphobia from what I've heard, so hopefully with more people joining, it'll make it better.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I really can't emphasize this enough. Look into all the nuances of gun ownership. Nothing crazy, just a handgun. There's a lot to it to be safe and responsible, and it is not for everyone, but look into it. That's all. Then decide. Looking into it also involves knowing your local law and what could happen to you if you fire it. Look into pepper spray, local and state law, but honestly, backsplash happens. Inhaling a lungful of that shit while trying to flee isn't going to help. Tazers. Again, local regulation, state regulation, sometimes they are different.

4b does not stop "your body, my choice" individuals claiming to be men.

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[–] RawrGuthlaf@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not all men are evil... There are many of us out there fighting for women's rights. Sorry that so many feel they need to resort to this, I guess I get it though.

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[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (19 children)

As a straight white male, I support this movement.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Hardcore Trump fans will still fuck and procreate. I don't consider sex abstinence a viable long-term strategy.

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[–] Random123@fedia.io 22 points 5 days ago

This is dumb

I get but i feel bad for anyone falling into this mind trap

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)
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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

Ignoring every other part of this movement, the 'no children' bit is a question of safety.

Even where the laws aren't dystopian nightmare shit, and you have a healthcare team on standby to provide the best care they can without needing to worry about legal fuckery, pregnancy and delivery can still kill you cuz that shit is insanely brutal.

Disallow that team from intervening when there's a miscarriage or some other complication and the mortality rate skyrockets, as seen in red states post-Roe.

That's about to be the whole country soon. Ladies, if you do get pregnant, have a plan, and a backup plan, and a backup-backup plan etc with where to go and what to do if shit even even starts to feel like it's hitting the fan.

...also if you don't already have a passport, now might be a good time.

If I were in your shoes, I'd be scheduling a hysterectomy ASAP. And remember your doc isn't going to do a background check or anything, so if they start giving you the shit about "nooo you're too young, you might regret it later!" just remember that your uterus is causing you 10/10 pain, and it makes it almost impossible to accomplish any normal tasks, and even starting to cause suicidal ideation; also you already have 4 kids with 3 dads and feel like you've lost control of your life, etc... probably not all at once or they'll know you're bullshitting, but the point is denying women's healthcare is a problem that goes way beyond abortion, and if lying is what you need to do to receive care, then don't hesitate to do it.

Good luck everyone. This situation is absolute shit.

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