this post was submitted on 07 Nov 2024
561 points (97.0% liked)

People Twitter

5173 readers
1688 users here now

People tweeting stuff. We allow tweets from anyone.

RULES:

  1. Mark NSFW content.
  2. No doxxing people.
  3. Must be a tweet or similar
  4. No bullying or international politcs
  5. Be excellent to each other.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
SendMeYourTaTas@sh.itjust.works
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
561
The king Bernie Sanders based take. (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 8 hours ago by Joker@sh.itjust.works to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works
47 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

Tweet.

all 48 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 32 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I hope liberals learn from this and start organizing. The billionaire-funded Democrat party will never pin blame on the capitalists that fund them to get working class votes.

As this article points out:

Bernie’s coalition was filled with the exact type of voters who are now flocking to Donald Trump: Working class voters of all races, young people, and, critically, the much-derided bros. The top contributors to Bernie’s campaign often held jobs at places like Amazon and Walmart. The unions loved him. And— never forget — he earned the coveted Joe Rogan endorsement that Trump also received the day before the election this year. It turns out, the Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real! While that has always been used as an epithet to smear Bernie and his movement, with the implication that social democracy is just a cover for or gateway drug to right wing authoritarianism, the truth is that this pipeline speaks to the power and appeal of Bernie’s vision as an effective antidote to Trumpism. When these voters had a choice between Trump and Bernie, they chose Bernie. For many of them now that the choice is between Trump and the dried out husk of neoliberalism, they’re going Trump.

Read Blackshirts and Reds

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

We need at least one new party in this country, and one that runs for local elections first to build a bench of people who can run for higher office.

Even if I didn’t believe the national Green Party was just a spoiler (regardless of how they started out,) they spend all their time and energy pushing a presidential candidate every four years rather than working on ground game.

I think states like Texas are actually fertile ground if you focus on what people are dealing with in their day to day life and start small-county commissions, town council positions, even sheriff if you have a county where the local sheriff is unpopular and your party platform is looking at criminal justice reform.

I also think pushing for changes to use ranked choice voting with proportional representation would generate long-term change. Single Tranferable Vote has worked well in Ireland, and historically it worked well in multiple American cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote?wprov=sfti1

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I've been seeing suggestions for that book a lot. I was even going to see if I can grab it from my local library, but it's just an e-book for some reason. I guess I can read it on my tablet but i prefer physical books. I do want to support my library though by using them, so it's a tough choice lol.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You can always check out the e-book version even if you go find a physical copy to read instead. I saw a librarian asking people to do stuff like that since the active use of library services let's them argue for better funding and services.

Also, see if they have a physical copy at another branch. My local library is part of a network that spans across multiple towns, and they can often get books sent to them from other branches if they don't have a copy themswlves.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Good idea. I haven't used my local library in awhile, but I'm worried about library funding with Trump. It's why this is the first time in a long time I looked into a book from the library. I'm using any excuse to like you said, argue their services are being actively used. It's good to hear it confirmed that it does actually help librarians and that they're encouraging that.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 10 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I think the Democrats are too far right, but that's not what lost them the election. What lost them the election is that voters think the President controls the price of groceries, and if cheaper groceries means killing a lot of brown people, that's a small price to pay.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Trump is going to prove that the President controls the price of groceries by enacting tariffs on imported food and getting rid of all the people who catch, raise, and harvest our food. He's going to make grocery prices go through the roof.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 3 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)

I'm sure that will be blamed on someone else. Probably trans people.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

It's a toss up between them or the "illegals." While they do hate trans people, it's a more convincing argument for people who aren't complete idiots to say it's because of an increased demand caused by non-citizens taking resources from patriotic American citizens™

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago

Democrats were also in favour of killing Palestinians. They had the chance to stop all of this and didn't. The choice in the election was slow genocide that's currently going on, or probably a faster one, when Trump gets into power.

But at the end of the day, genocide happening in a year or 3 doesn't change how horrific it is, doesn't change the fact that they will be gone.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -2 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

Don't call Bernie a king..

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago

I think it's more of a synonym for "the GOAT" or any other superlative rather implying he has a divine right to rule. E.g. "if you come at the king, you best not miss"

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It is so incredibly refreshing to hear someone with (however limited) power say what I've been seeing with the naked eye.

A four-hour drive through rural America last week showed me this: trump signs in the very poorest and the very richest yards, for miles and miles. There was the occasional Harris sign for obviously middle-class dwellings but not all.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 hours ago

He describes the plight of these people correctly, and while they haven't been offered enough by the dems, they aren't choosing the republicans because they are offering them more. They're choosing them because they fear change and the Republicans promise to protect them from change. The fear comes from ignorance / lack of a decent rural education system.

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 33 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I want Bernie for president and I'm not even American.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 44 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We tried. And almost got him. But then the DNC Services Corp rigged the game against us to stop him.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

I’ve said this before but the DNC is actually just another wing of the Oligarchy. They exist to provide a fabricated conflict so that people think it’s a divide based on ideals, not on class divide it truly is. Look at the wealth of all of the leaders in the DNC. It’s pretty much the same circles and wealth as the RNC.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

TWICE!

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 68 points 7 hours ago

The last great presidential candidate. The only once I’ve ever actually liked.

Hopefully more senators like AOC will come around that were motivated by Bernie and can take the party over.

[–] ifGoingToCrashDont@lemmy.world 60 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The right are perpetually angry. They are angry when they win and angry when they lose. It's a hallmark of their cult. There's no pleasing these people because they don't know what they're angry about, they just prefer to be angry.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 27 points 7 hours ago

Every fascist needs an enemy. The threat is required to rally around their flag and blame someone else for their failures. When there's no obvious threat in sight, it has to be produced - else there's no other way to maintain popularity among subordinates while also sanctioning them.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 37 points 7 hours ago

....something, something, Bernie warned us about this in a video 20 years ago, something, something, status quo.....

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

He would have won music video https://youtu.be/moNHfeBJ81I

Feel the Bern music video https://youtu.be/dzgBkpY-6mE

[–] blazera@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Alright this is gettin a bit much, Bernie endorsed all of this shit. The change he's talking about was on the ballot and he was pushing the conservative coddling moderate.

[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

He was trying to do everything he could to prevent Trump. That meant holding his tongue so as not to encourage people against strategic voting. It's a very dumb system we have, but it's not Bernie's fault we're in it.

Now that the general is over, he can speak his mind again. And probably a hint of getting ahead of the Democratic Party's inevitable blaming of the left for this loss rather than an ounce of introspection.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Not everything, one thing, the same thing everyone here was trying to do, the same thing the DNC was doing, trying to appeal to conservatives. This is the result, no one wanted conservative democrats, but everyone was holding their nose and pushing for it.

Now after the fact people are trying to act like they support progressives.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

He specifically said he doesn't endorse it other than because on each topic, trump is worse.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago (1 children)

You know who else trump is worse than? Everyone! Bernie, AOC, jill stein, cornell west, any progressive.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 23 minutes ago

Yup! But only one person had enough votes to potentially beat trump, which is how the system is designed. I checked last night, and I don't remember the exact number, but Cornell West received something like 0.67% of the votes in my State. Knowing how the system works, we had one option to prevent a far right government, and it was a less right government. I didn't design the system, I just live in it.