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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 34 points 22 hours ago

Sanders is the OG

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 501 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Jesus Christ still more sharp than Trump or Biden. We got fuckin robbed, man.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Yeah. The Democrats really screwed the pooch on that one. He's a solid candidate, and has stood on his moral stance from before the Democrats recognized the issues that are now popular.

Sorely needed, sorely missed.

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[–] theherk@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago

I will always blame DWS, Clinton, and to a slightly lesser extent Brazile for the ruin of the party. Until there is proportional representation (i.e. never), there will never be a party that represents a great many of us.

[–] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.

Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.

Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.

I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 16 points 22 hours ago

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

And you bet your ass they'll appoint them as young as possible so they've got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.

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[–] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 93 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Bernie Sanders is talking that shit.

[–] SeducingCamel@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago

If only he did it in the first place instead of campaigning for them

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago

Almost like he could have saved this whole scenario in 2016. Fuckin DNC kiss the ring Hillary bullshit.

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[–] grubbyweasel@sh.itjust.works 181 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

They keep giving us candidates nobody fucking wants and keep being surprised when they lose

And then it creates all this infighting where we're all blaming each other for being Bernie bros or third party protest voters when in reality it's the regular joes on the street who need to be convinced to give a fuck about their candidate, not terminally online hyperpolitical dweebs

The democrats are just gonna keep losing and our climate is going to slip deeper and deeper past the point of no return. Earths climate, our political climate, our social fabric, all of it. Slowly but surely being pissed down the drain because Joe Biden thought he should run despite middling approval ratings and massive health concerns, leaving us with literally zero choice but to back Harris once he inevitably stepped down. Because we had so called "superdelegates" choosing our candidates for us in the 2016 election when we were actually able to finally build a massive grassroots movement spearheaded by the Sanders campaign.

We're gonna keep losing, and we're gonna keep blaming each other, and the ruling class are just gonna keep sinking their claws deeper into what used to be ours.

I'll see you all again in four years, same time, same place, same fucking rigamarole

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

Democrats have definitely become the elitist party. They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 38 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't you mean Trump? The literal billionaire who represents the richest man in the world? Weird

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 19 points 22 hours ago

Yea but with the republicans you already sorta expect it. Harris pivoted from a really sensible campaign that honestly I think would've won, to "look at all these rich people, celebrities and even right-wing warmongers who support me!" - and while I get the point - a dirtbag like Cheney supporting Harris is a sign of how fucked up Trump REALLY is - the message might not have been as clear to everyone.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

Yes. They thought Dick Cheney would do the trick.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 156 points 1 day ago (10 children)

“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said in a statement Wednesday. “First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

Dems 100% sold them out and assumed they'd still vote D as long as a handful of issues were different.

The worse the Republicans got, the worse Dems got. Because they could get away with it and it increased donations.

The thing is it just energizes republicans and depresses Dem turnout.

If the goal is winning elections is a terrible strategy.

If you only care about money and the election is just a grift to you tho, it's a win/win. The result of the election doesn't really matter.

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