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Democracy in darkness: American voters choose Donald Trump, again (theemancipator.org)
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[–] nxn@biglemmowski.win 25 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Trump getting the popular vote is a problem that needs to be understood. The majority of America voted for a moron that looks as if he smears feces on his face after getting out of bed - among worse flaws.

But what I find most painful is that this asshole wasn't locked up for J6. Him even being considered as a candidate is blatantly against the constitution. The fact democrats went along with this long enough to actually have the orange shitler win is insane. He is simply and plainly not eligible to be President of the United States.

Edit: Ironically, this is the same clown that spent years nagging Obama for his birth certificate.

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is what's getting me. If he won via electoral college or couping, I'd be angry and ready to do the work to pull the country out of this mess and end Trumpism once and for all. But instead, he won the popular vote. People in the United States saw a wannabe-autocrat who was specifically called a fascist by his own officers who admitted to being a dictator "on day one" among so many other things. After seeing that, a majority of people either affirmatively supported the fascist candidate by voting for him, or they are tolerant enough of it to sit at home and not vote or vote for a third party knowing the outcome. And that really just makes me lose faith in my country and the people, and so I'm just sad knowing that this country actively chose this outcome.

What's worse is that I really don't feel a strong desire to try to change anything since it'll just fall on deaf ears at best. More to the point, I don't even want to hear "their side" or "their reasons" for why they voted the way they did because no matter the rationale they give, it will come down to them being comfortable with oppression of minorities and autocracy. I always want to believe the best of people, but after today, I really can't anymore.

[–] nxn@biglemmowski.win 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

In my view you're arriving at conclusions of how to act and think a result of being biased by the popular vote. The popular vote has no influence over the existing laws that are being broken nor the existing rights that are being violated. Furthermore, ask yourself, when has the other party ever given a single fuck about the popular vote? So, why do you?

Edit: Made some edits to clarify. Essentially, I'm making the argument that laws shouldn't be broken and rights shouldn't be ignored just because a majority is OK with doing so.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

*half of American voters choose Donald Trump again.

The other half are pretty pissed.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Pissed doesn't really describe my emotions today. Trump won decisively, including the popular vote and the Senate. Unlike 2016, the people who voted against him are inarguably the minority coalition now, despite it consisting of tens of millions of people.

I feel defeated; disillusioned and despondent.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

*at most half

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 hours ago

nope, just about half of the voting population.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Some Americans.

I can't fathom how so many people can look at Trump and see President material. And I know no single motivation covers all of them.

But like, even if you looked at Kamala and thought, "Meh." Fuck, even if you looked at her and thought, "Ugh." How can you look at Trump and think he is in any way better.

He is going to steal from us. Probably billions of dollars for his stupid fucking family. He is going to be the most corrupt motherfucker we've ever seen lead America, and I don't say that lightly. And the money that isn't stolen will go into stupid fucking projects like building walls and proping up Musks failing companies. Oh, did I say money that wasn't stolen, I meant money that was stolen differently.

People are going to die. We have to face the possibility of an actual abortion ban that no one fucking wants. Women will die. Everyone will die if they ban vaccines. Let's have polio back again so we can create good American jobs building more iron lungs for people to live inside for 75 years. The economy will be in shambles because "tariff everything" just fucking means "raise the price on everything."

To say absolutely fucking nothing of Project 2025 and the welcoming of fascism to America. And I feel pretty certain that Trump will just sign an executive order granting Russian agents top security clearance.

And you say, name me one fucking thing that will be better in America if he's President and what do they have? Fucking migrant farm workers won't be picking crops.

We have all failed each other. Because how we can live in a fucking country where people like that are just out and about instead of in an insane asylum or riding the short bus once a week to spend their disability on a fucking happy meal, is just completely unfathomable to me.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

People living in rural areas don't see issues with homelessness, healthcare, transit, trans-rights, gay-rights, ect. They are in a bubble shut off from most of that. All they see is the taxes the government takes.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 hours ago

Man, I'm gonna be straight with you I don't see the homeless issue because I live in snowy flyover country and if there's a state not to be fucking homeless.... well it's probably Alaska, but we've gotta be in the top 10, anyway. Transit? We don't have any. No one fucking cares. Buy a god damned car. Healthcare? I'm ignorant of healthcare issues other than in my experience it fucking sucks more the higher the population density is.

Human rights. LTBTQ rights. Women's rights. Yeah I get that. I'm with you. It's not my personal issue as such, but I have women in my life. Gay people. Trans people. Because I don't live in a fucking cave and people are people everywhere.

But I didn't say all that to sound like an asshole. I really didn't. I'm a little punchy. I didn't sleep last night. I'm saying, I'm so extremely privileged that I can identify with people who say none of those issues are my fucking problem and I still don't want that fucker anywhere near the god damned Whitehouse.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It was really hard seeing the all the Trump signs, but I truly believed we wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

I'd be impressed if it wasn't so devastating. I don't even know how to look at my fellow countrymen without wanting to ask them , "Did you do this?" I feel so... Dejected.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

It was feeling a lot like 2016 to me over the last several months. I physically face-palmed when she went on SNL. I held onto hope that after experiencing a Trump term things would be different but I should have known. After all, when in my lifetime has this country not let me down when it matters most?

If there's any hope for the future, the Democratic party needs to evolve. We can't wait for another global crisis to get us out of this mess again.

[–] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

The not so united...