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Summary

Donald Trump’s decisive victory in the 2024 election leaves no room for ambiguity or an “asterisk” in his legitimacy, as he won both the popular vote and the Electoral College.

This outcome represents a clear mandate from American voters, who knowingly chose Trump’s policies and approach.

The anticipated results include pardons for January 6 participants, attacks on the press, and an administration filled with controversial figures.

By voting for Trump, Americans prioritized divisive rhetoric over democratic values, accepting the resulting turmoil.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 102 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (37 children)

Something to keep in mind.

Trump didn't win a significant number of new voters. He kept his base, which is roughly the size of what it was in 2020.

The problem was that Harris lost voters. In droves. Nationwide. And she took a lot of winnable downballot candidates with her. And I'm not even saying that to blame her. She ran a magnificent campaign while Trump was most noted for saying "They're eating the dogs!". So why did she still lose, and lose so hard? Because Democrats stayed home. Roughly about 10% of them overall, nationwide. Sure, some of them stayed home or voted 3rd party to protest Gaza, especially in Michigan. But the real story is that she underperformed so badly nationwide. I mean, for the love of God, New Jersey was competitive. That call about Iowa possibly going blue is going to be up there with "Dewey defeats Truman" in terms of political misfires. She severely underperformed with men and Latinos, especially Latino men. Which means this: 8-10 million people couldn't stomach voting for Trump, but they'd rather passively hand over the country to Trump vs. voting for a black woman. Whether the problem they have is the fact that she's black, female, or both is irrelevant. But the message they sent was clear. "We don't want Trump, but we'd rather step back and just let Trump take the country rather than vote for her."

The problems with bigotry in this country go much deeper than some people are willing to admit, and Harris just found that out the hard way. As far as the voting base is concerned, voting for Obama was a mistake that they will not repeat again, and they just proved that by handing Trump everything he wanted on a silver platter instead.

We can't even say that it's an outsized minority any more. A majority of the people in this country just spoke up and said that they either want the racism and bigotry or are at least willing to put up with it.

Trump won the election not because Democrat voters said "Trump!", but because they said "Not Harris."

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Whether the problem they have is the fact that she's black, female, or both is irrelevant.

Please consider that it could be neither.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (17 children)

This honestly cements my view that America is a racist nation, no question.

You don't get 15 million missing votes without a solid chunk of those being Democrats, bog standard Democrats, that didn't want to vote for a black woman.

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[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 1 day ago

The large turnout in 2020 was more driven by the will to remove Trump than to elect Biden. This time it seems they forgot how bad it was and decided to stay home.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago

You made the point yourself: the majority did not speak up. The majority of voters spoke up, and they're a minority of Americans.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 48 points 1 day ago

The leopards are about to have a face buffet.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I have a friend. His mother is an undocumented immigrant. He admitted today that he voted for Trump due to concerns about inflation.

I just don't even know what to say anymore: he's college educated, but he still thinks Trump wasn't talking about his mom.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Also, even if it was for "inflation", just what policy do these people think donnie has that will "fix" inflation?

[–] Mishmash2000@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm no expert but won't Trumps tariffs on everything under the sun be much much worse than the inflation?? Manufacturing won't come back to the USA, it'll just shuffle around any of dozens of countries that will still be cheaper to operate out of. Also, retalitory tariffs are a thing which will harm what manufacturing IS in the USA. Also, Trump promised his rich buddies 3 trillion dollars in tax breaks. He's going to slash health budgets (and more besides) to fund it. What are people thinking!? They're going to fund the ultra rich from their own pockets AND pay massively more for goods while damaging local industry?! I mean there's a million other things to worry about including mass-deportation but cost of living is about to increase BIGLY!?

I'm pretty convincing he's being encouraged to outright collapse the us by Putin

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The thing about mental illness is it's not logical, and will never make sense. Cults, religion, and political ideology all indoctrinate — spread a mental illness — in the exact same way; they all attack the same psychological vulnerabilities.

If someone knows the sky isn't red, but chooses to believe it anyway, there's not a whole lot that can be done.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are also gonna grab him. Stephen Miller doesn't fucking care if you are legal or not. Your friend is about to find out after he fucked around

[–] mashbooq@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Trump's stated plan is to deport 20 million people. There are only around 11 million undocumented immigrants. Both the dude mentioned in the comment above and his mom are definitely on the list. It's staggering that he didn't take that seriously.

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 70 points 1 day ago (14 children)

On one hand, it's going to be funny watching them cry about it once the consequences of their actions start to impact their lives negatively.

On the other hand, I live in Canada, so it's going to fuck us over too.

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Remember, with doublespeak they’ll continue* to blame the democrats while their Republican leaders dismantle their rights, the economy, and the government right in front of their eyes.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It will be a repeat of 2020. They'll leave the country in shambles and then people will vote Democrat to fix everything.

[–] FardyCakes@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

This is extremely optimistic. Voting, as we understand it, is not going to exist.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago

You're assuming that there will be a free and fair election in 2028.

I don't think that's a given anymore.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

Trump has openly stated that he plans to abolish voting

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[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 40 points 1 day ago

"They're not hurting the people they need to be hurting"

We are so going to be hearing this again.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do not underestimate the allure of a man who offers you a boogeyman to blame all your problems on, while promising you that only he can stop it. That allure is very difficult for many people to overcome. One of the other problems with it is that even if they do see the consequences of their choices, it's just as easy for Trump to convince them that those problems are the boogeyman's fault too. It doesn't have to make sense, and Trump doesn't care if it does as long as it keeps the rubes in line and focusing their anger on anyone else but him.

This is a cult following. Any attempt to show them that their problems were caused by Trump will only cause them to MAGA harder.

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[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s no blaming the Russians this time around. There’s no blaming media malpractice. There’s still some blame to attribute to voter suppression, but majorities elect the people who suppress the votes...

what a stupid fucking article. why carve out exceptions for shit you don't understand and then double down on the politico.

fuck i hate journalists.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Christ - because it's not as though the media contributes massively to voter suppression.

Journalistic malpractice is one of the main causes - if not the main cause of this result.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

what will the rest of the world get from this? the obvious one would be higher emissions and more fucked weather...

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Second hand fascism

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Possibly benefit from some brain drain too

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

American conservatives wouldn't understand personal responsibility, especially the ones that crow about others not taking it, if it was literally rage fucking their assholes without lube.

And it absolutely will be once Trump's policies are in effect.

But somehow it will still be Obama's fault because the poor, ignorant fools consider critical thinking to be a librul plot like climate change and gravity.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Had a friend that took the conspiracist road to Nazism, and this isn't an exaggeration - the dictionary is a Jewish plot, so is any empirical evidence, the existence of qualified experts, observable phenomena...

The small mercy is that the idiots and monsters that voted for Trump and the dipshits that couldn't be bothered to vote to stave off fascism will drown in the river of shit alongside the well-meaning folk that did their best (or anything at all) to stop this.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

More immigration! Turbo immigration! You think it’s bad now? Wait until the equator starts suffering wet bulb events

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There won’t be more immigration. Quite the opposite. Get ready to see your friends, neighbors, and relatives deported. Get ready to see crops dying in the fields.

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[–] ConHoliousDonFrankle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm absolutely sure this idiot has 4 years to fuck the world up. He's not going to make us great again by helping anyone else...

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