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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It was the right move, but this needs to be expanded. Assume there are state actors from all of the major countries installing backdoors.

The digital war front will be getting hit from all sides. We need extreme paranoia to protect all of the innocent bystanders. Don’t assume even your own country is trustworthy in this.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Don’t assume even your own country is trustworthy in this.

My country is one of the world leaders in mass spying software development and even gave themselves the right to basically do deep packet inspections on everything going through it a long time ago, so...

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

I’m pretty certain my country banned Kaspersky because they kept outing western backdoors and malware. And I would bet my life that Windows has supported free use government backdoors since at least Windows 10.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 43 points 18 hours ago

One notable software business professional interviewed by RBC thought that the West’s decision would “adversely affect the life of the developer community, mutual trust within it, and therefore the quality of the product.”

It was Russia and other autocracies etc. that diminished the trust by actually financing developers for multiple years to first earn trust and finally introduce backdoors into open source software, as demonstrated by the XZ utils backdoor.

In open source projects, maintainers need to have some initial trust into each contributor, and let this trust naturally grow with time and contributions. They cannot perform intensive background checks on everyone before accepting a patch.

While it is easier to uncover backdoors in open source software, there is no good way to defend and prevent against this kind of attack in this type of development process. All open source projects can do is trying to take away some trust from people within higher risk groups. This of course might lead to discrimination.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 284 points 2 days ago (15 children)

They weren't kicked out, iirc. Their contributions just aren't automatically merged anymore

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 223 points 1 day ago

And they are all welcome back if they can satisfy the Linux Foundation that they're not affiliated with a sanctioned entity on the SDN list.

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[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is a theory that sanctions against a country with a tyrannical ruler hurt the common people more than the oligarchs / dictator. But eventually they do make life more difficult for that ruler

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The common people are the ones who overthrow the dictator eventually

[–] RubberDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Iraq Afghanistan North Korea

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

So only 3-4 left to go :-)

Jk

But letting the dictator free reign is even worse, look at how many people putin has killed in the unnecessary agression of Ukraine. That's not some slight "suffering", that's death and everything that comes with it for the families left behind.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That happens relatively rarely. Remember the protests in recent years in Thailand, Hong Kong, Iran? They went exactly nowhere.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 17 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

TF you on? Just because there weren’t immediate, drastic regime level changes doesn’t mean they went “exactly nowhere”.

There have been many changes at smaller levels not being reported in mainstream western media. Public pressure called for MANY local officials to step down along with changes in law that have already started effecting everyday life, and at least in Thailand, some pretty major changes in how public officials are held accountable via more expansive auditing channels, thereby increasing transparency.

Not everything is a fucking hollywood movie wherein you have some Hunger Games style uprising against the elite.

In fact, it’s fucking insulting hearing people who haven’t an ounce of global exposure beyond whatever 2 or 3 media sources they shove their heads into saying “those protesters got nothing accomplished”.

Never let anyone tell you protesting doesn’t work.

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[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It could have worked. It was worth trying

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 15 hours ago

But not if the pressure is mostly coming from the external. Or worse if we look at Egypt, where now an even worse dictator than Mubarak rules, after the Egyptians have elected people the West didn't like, and getting couped quickly.

[–] horse_tranquilizers@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Where are the tankie posts now?

[–] quant@leminal.space 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well confined in their instances for now. Wait until .ml and the Grad starts overflowing.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

wait is there problem with .ml ? I've been using this account for more than an year. Is that the reason I see hexbear posts (I want to block this instance, but don't think it's possible from account)

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 9 hours ago

.ml is basically Lemmygrad cosplaying as moderate. Your admins (the devs of Lemmy) are literal Tankies, your news community is full of disinformation and bans anyone who's spreading anti Tankie related comments, like the truth about Russia or China, or pro Western views.

!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ctrl + f for .ml or use the search function and note the pinned threads.

[–] offspec@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

To put it lightly, the instance owner is sympathetic to grad and hexbear.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It is actually possible to block an instance with your account. I heard Voyager and vanilla Lemmy allow this

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 9 hours ago

Still waiting for this for mbin. T_T

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's election day, so they've probably been relegated to other projects, since they won't be able to make a difference anymore.

[–] honeynut@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

yes, hexbear is currently doing a donation drive to support and evacuate people in Gaza

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