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[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

NASB, I had a jarring experience this morning watching Patrick Boyle's latest video "Big Tech is Going Nuclear!" (not gonna link it) where 5 mins in he introduces the sponsor and it's an AI presentation slide generator, which he said he used for the images in his video. This after he mentioned the data on generating one image using the same amount of energy as charging a smartphone. The thing is he seems careful to not mention that it is a gen ai product–he never says AI–rather a piece of software that helps making presentations.

It kinda made me panic stop the video, like an instant "well, done with you" - not sure if he continued to make a joke of it or anything. I mean, I'm sure (I hope) he was given a lot of money for the spot, but damn! Just when I thought I had a foundational understanding of people

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The thing is he seems careful to not mention that it is a gen ai product–he never says AI–rather a piece of software that helps making presentations.

The term "AI" damages sales when used in advertising - whatever script Boyle got was definitely written by people who knew that fact.

I also predicted something like this would happen (though within a very specific context) a while ago - seems my prediction's coming true.

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[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Had a first-hand AI encounter today at the grocery store. The self-checkout now has a script that monitors an overhead video feed to make sure you're not getting tricky about what scanned and what got put into the bagging area, and if it thinks you're shady it will stop you from proceeding and summon an employee with no notification that something is wrong.

The new self-checkout process is as follows:

  1. Scan your item
  2. Hold the item plainly before you so the overhead camera doesn't get confused, looking like a Catholic priest about to deliver communion.
  3. Place item in bagging area. Try not to have to shift things around to find a place.
  4. Swear as the nom-mutable voice instructions tell you to bag "your... Item." Legitimately feels like they got as far as assembling the voice lines before anyone realised that having the compu-checker read every purchase out loud would lead to at best an unworkable cacophony if not several immediate lawsuits.
  5. GOTO 1

Even as antisocial and impatient as I am I've found self-checkout to be a UX disaster, but somehow it keeps getting worse.

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Talk with PM went nowhere. Very nice guy, but was insistent on giving the reviewer the benefit of the doubt. I just wanna die.

[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

oof, I’m sorry. it’s so hard to get capitalists to understand the nature of what they’re enabling, especially if it seems to be working in the short term. it’s the most frustrating thing during a bubble — it taints every decision the executive class makes, and enables grifters to get away with obvious shit even over objections from people who know better.

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[–] istewart@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago

Two of the major donors pushing to recall the mayor of Oakland, CA are cryptocurrency "executives."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/billionaires-oakland-mayor-sheng-thao-recall

Over the summer, Jesse Pollak, a cryptocurrency investor and executive at Coinbase, launched Abundant Oakland, an advocacy organization that funds “moderate” candidates running in Oakland races. The organization is explicitly linked to similarly named entities in San Francisco and Santa Monica.

Abundant Oakland has a related political action committee, Vibrant Oakland, which, campaign filings show, has received donations from Pollak ($115,000), the Oakland police officers association ($50,000), cryptocurrency executive Konstantin Richter ($60,000), the northern California carpenters regional council ($150,000) and a Pac controlled by Piedmont landlord Chris Moore ($100,000).

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Alternative headline for this Washington Post opinion piece from Jeff Bezos: We're all trying to find the guy who did this!

^more^ ^US^ ^politics^ ^I^ ^know.^ ^There^ ^is^ ^sadly^ ^no^ ^escape^ ^from^ ^the^ ^fiery^ ^vortex^ ^that^ ^is^ ^the^ ^U.S.^ ^election.^

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

no escape

Rest of world: is there no alternative to US hegemony?

CIA: *raises head from pile of blow, puts gun on table* no

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's more like everyone is hungry for content and the POTUS election is a big generator of it.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

russian dude generates botslop on dating apps, makes 5000+ girls talk to bot, chooses the one that stayed with chatgpt: https://xcancel.com/biblikz/status/1752335415812501757#m

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

The entire motivation of AI dev afaict is to have a new mommy to take care of you, I guess this is one way to do it. 🙄🙄🙄

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Dead internet? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within the job hunting process?

Yes

(Github project supposedly for AI assisted mass job application, including using the AI to cater resume to job posting. God I'm terrified of ever having to return to the job market this is fucking insane.)

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

My enshittification story*: Instagram has been suggesting people for me to follow. It markets them to me by saying “friend X follows this person!” But friend X does not follow this person. Friend X has no tenable connection to this person. Why are you bullshitting me, Zuck? Is the autoplag outflow drain hooked up to Insta?

*orig JP title: 僕のエンシット化ストーリー

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

facebook pulled that shit for many years too, along with the "created" notifications

alllll for the engagement farming, desperate to keep those eyeball KPIs on track

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Adobe execs say artists need to embrace AI or get left behind [Jess Weatherbed, The Verge]

Adobe is going all in on generative AI models and tools, even if that means turning away creators who dislike the technology. Artists who refuse to embrace AI in their work are “not going to be successful in this new world without using it,” says Alexandru Costin, vice president of generative AI at Adobe.

Personally, I think this is gonna backfire pretty damn hard on Adobe - artists' already distrust and hate them as it is, and Procreate, their chief competition, earned a lot of artists' goodwill by publicly rejecting gen-AI some time ago. All this will likely do is push artists to jump ship, viewing Adobe as actively hostile to their continued existence.

On a wider note, it seems pretty clear to me Alexandru Costin's drank the technological determinist Kool-Aid and has come to believe autoplag's dominance is inevitable. He's not the first person I've seen drink that particular Kool-Aid, he's almost certainly not the last, and I suspect that the mass-drinking of that Kool-Aid's fueling the tech industry's relentless doubling-down on gen-AI. A doubling-down I expect will bite them in the ass quite spectacularly.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

not going to be successful in this new world without using it

The hubris is almost impressive in itself. There's not a single technology in human history that has managed to kill every art form not using it. Digital art didn't do it, photography, pencil, movable type printing, nib pens, oil paints, scraffito, probably not even the invention of currency did it. He thinks autoplag of all things will?

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[–] corbin@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Bezos' open interference in the Washington Post's editorial section has pushed Walter Bright into a very funny series of public admissions that he did not have to make. See the orange site here for his ongoing libertarian meltdown.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

His comment history is a weird mix of programming language discussion, terrible takes, simping for Musk, simping for Musk even harder (just in case you didn't realize how much he liked Musk the first time).

Musk is the sane one. It's the rest of us that are insane.

Holy hell.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago

I really hope Harris wins by a landslide just so all these weird nerds eat shit. If even just one goes "wow I really let myself get swept up into believing trump/musk was great by my echo chamber it would be worth it. But i doubt we will get such self awareness. The various betting prediction markets also then have been wrong (or manipulated) would also be fun.

[–] self@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don't think you want to hear my opinions on what the left wing thinks is obvious :-)

Also, I am neither left nor right wing, as I'm a libertarian. I believe in the principles in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the system of checks and balances set up by the Constitution.

it’s just really surprising to see the political takes of a 13 year old come out of the 65 year old who created the least successful C variant

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago

I don’t think you want to hear my opinions

You're right there, buddy!

[–] JFranek@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago

I am neither left nor right wing, as I’m a libertarian

Ah, yes, the classic "I'm not like the other girls" of politics.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

A libertarian who glamorizes the state as set up by old people in the past. The libertarian to reactionary funnel.

E:

HN: Since you believe in checks and balances, do you believe Trump should be disqualified for running for office, for using violence, intimidation and lies to attempt to change the results of the last election? As a principled libertarian I'm sure the peaceful transfer of power is at the height of your concerns.

WalterBright: I think I'll spare everyone from yet another Trump vs Harris debate.

Weichei!

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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

Walter Bright soon reading his second ever newspaper: "Wow, this is a lot like Washington Post!"

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fortune magazine reports:

In separate investigations completed by the blockchain firms Chaos Labs and Inca Digital and shared exclusively with Fortune, analysts found that Polymarket activity exhibited signs of wash trading, a form of market manipulation where shares are bought and sold, often simultaneously and repeatedly, to create a false impression of volume and activity. Chaos Labs found that wash trading constituted around one-third of trading volume on Polymarket’s presidential market, while Inca Digital found that a “significant portion of the volume” on the market could be attributed to potential wash trading, according to its report.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Wait we created a market and people are manipulating it in order to profit because it turns out market manipulation pays the same or more than being a ~~banker~~ ~~investor~~ "superpredictor" but is much easier?

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Amazon used an AI-generated image as a cover for 1922's Nosferatu, and it got publicly torn apart on Twitter:

On a personal note, it feels to me like any use of AI, regardless of context, is gonna be treated as a public slight against artists, if not art as a concept going forward. Arguably, it already has been treated that way for a while.

You want me to point to a high-profile example of this kinda thing, I'd say Eagan Tilghman provided a textbook example a year ago, after his Scooby Doo/FNAF fan crossover (a VA redub came out a year later BTW) accidentally ignited a major controversy over AI and nearly got him blacklisted from animation.

I specifically bring this up because Tilghman wasn't some random CEO or big-name animator - he was just some random college student making a non-profit passion project with basically zero budget or connections. It speaks volumes about how artists view AI that even someone like him got raked over the coals for using it.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

ffs it's in public domain just use a still from the staircase silhouette like everyone else

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago

mr president, we must not allow kernel gap

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

that article misses one of the delicious parts of that story: they called saltman a “podcast bro” in derision

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

OpenAI considered building everything in-house and raising capital for an expensive plan to build a network of factories known as "foundries" for chip manufacturing.

Oh man, that's a delicious understatement. If the allegations are true, this was a plan that would make the military-industrial complex envious.

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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

FastCompany: "In Apple’s new ads for AI tools, we’re all total idiots"

It's interesting that not even Apple, with all their marketing knowledge, can come up with anything convincing why users might need "Apple Intelligence"[1]. These new ads are not quite as terrible as that previous "Crush" AI ad, but especially the one with the birthday... I find it just alienating.

Whatever one may think about Apple and their business practices, they are typically very good at marketing. So if even Apple can't find a good consumer pitch for GenAI crap, I don't think anyone can.

[1] I'd like to express support for this post from Jeff Johnson to call it "iSlop"

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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