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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

I have actually had this argument used against me.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (14 children)
[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even if you're voting Harris et al., don't you think they should be called out for supporting genocide? Have you even tried to convince Biden or Harris or your reps in Congress to stop supporting genocide?

Moreover, once they know that they can get enough votes and win while supporting genocide, then they'll know they can do anything and have enough votes to win. While all paths lead to increasingly fascistic governance in the US, the path you're advocating is the most accelerationist scenario.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Except the bottom track loops around to run over everyone else when the Supreme Court decides it wants to hurt more people.

Let's say the Supreme Court decides to end gay marriage at a federal level and send it back to the states. Harris won't do shit to help people in red states, she'll just tell them to vote for Democrats in 2026/2028 but otherwise ignore them.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

Controlled opposition parties like the US democrats love to dangle these carrots during election seasons. Roe v Wade in red states was unrolled under Biden, while he held up his hands and said there was nothing he could do about it. But as soon as election season rolls around, they're suddenly champions of women's rights. If they were to actually do something about it, they'd no longer be able to campaign on it.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (21 children)

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me

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[–] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Why do you support a system that repeatedly makes you choose between mega hitler and giga hitler? Surely you recognize that such a system is evil and participation is an endorsement of it.

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

That's a very difficult concept for them to understand. The mental gymnastics I've seen them use to excuse or defend genocide has been wild.

By just saying, "I don't want to endorse a genocide." sends them into a frothing rage, with arguments immediately fired against the right. They see it as 'us vs. them', but fail to see that people don't want to endorse a genocide no matter the color of the party.

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Stupid tankies. Don't you see the trolley problem clearly proves that genocide is fine smuglord

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ukraine? Lol good fuck those Nazis.

The rest? The Dems had 4 years to codify any sort of federal law protecting those groups while states rolled those protections back, and didn't. So yes by you pretending that voting blue is some sort of moral high ground despite their constant failings in actually protecting queer and trans and black and women's rights you are choosing to support more death of those people. That's you. You're doing that. Congrats I guess?

Also the Dems literally caused the genocide in Palestine by pledging, and supplying, unlimited support to Israel.

Basically this is you wonder-who-thats-for

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

Never think that geocentrists were stupid. They were wrong, certainly, but they were not stupid: while it doesn't take much intellect to initially conclude that Earth is the center of the solar system, it does take a very great amount of intellect to rationalize away the mountain of evidence to the contrary.

This is not a comment about people who voted or are planning on voting for Kamala Harris — this is an entirely unrelated observation about a completely different topic.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Trans people, LGBT people

Harris just said "I believe we should follow the law" when asked whether trans people should have access to gender-affirming care. This is leaving it to the states, which is essentially banning the existence of trans people in large segments of the country. She does not care about trans people or LGBT people as a whole.

Abortion rights

Roe was overturned under Biden, and Harris has not said she would stack the court or similar. She has said she would sign into law a bill passed by congress to restore reproductive freedom nationwide, but the dems almost certainly will not control the senate with a filibuster-proof majority, and even if they did they'd find some designated bad-guy who would turn coat to stop it (see: Joe Lieberman, Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema). Harris will not do anything to protect abortion rights.

Ukraine

Which will lead to more Ukrainian deaths: the war coming to an end because US aid ceases, or a meatgrinder continuing for years which the Ukrainians have no chance of winning anyway? Which is more important: lines on a map, or actual human lives?

Black Lives Matter

Harris was a prosecutor. She's a fucking cop. She's VP of Joe "We have to fund the police!" Biden. She wants to build Trump's border wall. Harris does not care about black people.

Palestine

Harris fully supports the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. Her VP, Walz, has said that Israeli expansion (IE Greater Israel) is key to US interests. They may actually be to the right of Trump on this issue just because Trump doesn't have any actual political beliefs other than "make Trump richer", while Harris and the dems are rabid zionists.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Walz, has said that Israeli expansion (IE Greater Israel) is key to US interests

So basically the same view as Trump

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

And without outrage from Dem voters

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Excellent writeup. If anyone wants sources for some of these, here they are: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq#kamala-harris

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[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 16 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I love the faith that the new Cheney DNC won't turn on any non-muslim or immigrants minority... I'm old enough to remember the '92 campaign's promises and then Don't Ask Don't Tell, Welfare "reform" and "The Death of Big Government." A rightwing DNC is a greater threat than the GOP because the MSNBC and NYT set will applaud them, and the 70% of the DNC base who are partisan sheep will move their own politics to justify the party's execution of "republican" policy

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I like how the trolley meme is peak liberal morality test

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

I'm starting to think now the trolley problem should be reframed as a catch-22 / false choice / manufactured consent.

Who constructed this trolley? Why are there only two options shown? Do these options actually match reality? etc.

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[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

u think voting for california's ex head pig is gonna keep black people safe from pigs??? how does that work? how does continuing the "i think we can all agree what we need is to found the police" regime make black people safe from pigs?

Also how would republicans be worse than Palestinians than the continuation of a regime currently led by a self proclaimed non jewish zionists.

also also democrats could have and did nothing to protect womens bodily autonomy and they have done next to nothing for lgbtq people or any other oppressed peoples for that matter.

but non of that matters there is regime in power which is genocidal which has done everything in its power to support and aid a genocide, u can either support it or not, that is all.

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