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They are literally everywhere. I can't go any place without being watched. I just want some privacy. The most alarming part is that they put cameras on all entrances and exits so they can know who's entering or leaving. Why do they need to stalk me as I go about my day? The area I live in is overall pretty safe so I don't see the justification.

I have also noticed that some people actually feel safe where there are cameras. I get that people can get scared but I don't think creating a giant network of mass surveillance is the answer.

What is this dystopian future we have marched into.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I adamantly maintain that the US needs an entire movement to enshrine the right to privacy to its citizens in the constitution.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 2 weeks ago

Including medical privacy. The forced birthers can fuck right off about knowing my wife’s menstrual cycle.

[–] VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

I've been wondering how far I could get making a pitch for religious freedom from advertising. Should possibly think about it as religious freedom from tracking in general.

[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm guessing it's like this everywhere, but in my country, public cameras also have microphones. I feel like we don't think about that a lot.

[–] joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 24 points 3 weeks ago

i dont know about your country, but in germany its regulated and in public places the footage is only allowed to be stored up to 72 hours

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Then you really don't want to know about mesh license plate readers.

They allow 24/7 monitoring of all drivers any where in a city .. in real time

[–] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

They're horrific and apparently invisible to people. Any time I point them out I've been called crazy and told I was overreacting. Until driving around Illinois with a coworker when he started to understand the scale of it all. The more I see the more dizzying it becomes. There needs to be regulation for them

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[–] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I saw an article about Chinese EVs being equipped with overly-powerful LiDAR for self driving or something, which meant that in essence, they drive about the places burning out camera sensors. This got me thinking - The human eye takes a lot more energy to damage it than the average ccd chip, and a small cheap laser pointer is way more than enough to wreck one. Would it be possible to get a LiDAR unit and pop it on a remote control car or a drone or something?

There’s a group in London that call themselves the Bladerunners who go around wrecking the ULEZ cameras, they use a few interesting methods, but they’re all a bit too direct, such as sawzalling camera poles down. The LiDAR looks like a better option.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'd be worried about long term damage to humans. There also is the tinsey tiny issue of it being highly illegal.

The best think I can think of is pointing cameras out to everyone and making a fuss over it.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I was literally in a CAVE the other day and I looked up and saw "under video surveillance". You can't even escape it 100 meters under the earth.

Yes it was a privately owned attraction. That's not an excuse.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

privately owned

Nah sorry, conversation ends there.

Cameras on private property don't affect you. Also, they are never because of the kindness of humanity. They're always because someone was a bad neighbor/bad tourist/bad human. You can wish all you want for the state to not have you under surveillance - that's fine. But if you wanna enter private property, you succumb to private rules. And if you don't wanna do that, you can stay out.

[–] AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Weird, almost counterintuitive, example. But I get your thought.

A normally inaccessible and poorly lit tourist attraction, like a cave, is a good fit for surveillance for those times when a tourist wanders off or goes against the rules which could be harmful to themselves and others around them.

Having said that, I agree with your thought and that there are a lot of other areas that would be better without surveillance.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I want to punch people in the throat who say "YOU HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN A PUBLIC PLACE" because like, yeah, I know, I'd fucking like to though.

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[–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I feel the same,
to battle it I drive with my sun visors down,
all the time, even when it's dark.

I never voted for these camera's,
and driving with them down is not illegal,
but they successfully block the sight of most camera's.

[–] Tazerface@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Brilliant idea. I'm gonna try that.

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[–] Tazerface@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I started wearing a N95 for medical reasons a few years ago and this may help with the cameras.

I've never done a selfie or posted any photos of my face on social media. I have a driver's license but my country has privacy laws so that information shouldn't be available to any company that wants it. On the other hand, The War Amps has access so maybe stores do as well.

I feel naked without a ballcap. A few stores in my area have the cameras at eye-level. I look down when entering or exiting if I'm not wearing sunglasses.

I never use the self checkouts. These often have high def cameras inches from one's face. This is an effective way to connect a customer's face and their name by way of a credit or bank card.

I always use cash.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The facial recognition is done mostly to the eyes so the mask doesn't protect too much, you would want glasses and a cap

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[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

my mother has installed cameras in every room of her house except the bathroom. and external cameras. they are also internet connected. I tried to explain to her how these things are not secure and can easily be tapped into but she wouldn't hear it

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you encourage her to put them in the bathroom and to install quality microphones everywhere?

[–] cestvrai@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I encourage everyone to carry around an internet-connected audio-video listening device on their person at all times. Not only to have calls potentially tapped but also a microphone that can listen at any time and a non-removable battery.

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[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I have had them in airbnbs i was renting!

Current landlord has one just outside my apartment and it records audio. Fucking creepy

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Depending where you live, if it looks inside your unit at all it's illegal

[–] modus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The Airbnb one is definitely illegal in the US.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if there is some sort of malicious compliance you could do with cameras. Maybe find a way to trigger the detection alarm without actually breaking any rules.

[–] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If it helps quell any anxiety, the ring cameras are not made of quality components. A neighbor with a south facing camera said that the camera was there when they moved in, but the lens is so sun damaged that you can't see anything. It was installed maybe 2 years ago. They said that they only use it as a doorbell now.

As mentioned in another post, a malicious neighbor could blast UV light at the cameras day and night for a while to make the camera mostly ineffectve.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

they could also take a hammer to it. Don't see the point here

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I'm looking into some of the anti camera clothing tbh. But it isn't fully effective, and it's expensive as hell for something that shouldn't be necessary in the firat place

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Anti camera clothing can make you more of a target, since you'll be wearing something that is less common, you'll be easier to pick out from a crowd. Sure, it will prevent flash photography from being able to identify you, but most of the time it a flash is not used when taking a photo.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Im just kinda hoping it'll be partially effective, even that tiny fraction.

I dress fairly distinctly anyway, so I'm not worried about standing out more, just sick of the idea of my face being recorded every fucking where.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I get it, I just wanted to clarify that anti camera clothing is mostly just anti camera flash technology.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought some worked by flashing infrared LEDs to overwhelm the cameras' sensors. AFAIK there are multiple varieties of camera repellant.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

As far as I have seen they are only reflective, using the camera flash's light.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I just got to remember to stop staring into the cameras

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe you would feel less exposed wearing a hat or cap or visor. It wouldn't make you invisible but you might find them less intrusive and eye-catching, since they're usually high up.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

I've seen bright IR emittors, that can oversaturate some cameras

[–] commanderbalok@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
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[–] 3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Some random creep put up a ring camera pointed directly at the bus stop near my house. It's technically on their property but it's pointed right at the bus stop it's creepy as hell. Why can't they just monitor their own door instead

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

At this point nothing u can do but give up. We really should make an open source decentralised tracking system and track and dox literally everyone on the planet. A billion Penopticons in better than one. Let everyone track everyone.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Some cameras can replace your dressed body with a naked body. It's not something I just made up. Wink 😉.

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