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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 143 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Software gets more expensive over time when you write it like spaghetti coded crap in a "move fast and break things" environment where you build so much technical debt that you can't touch anything without breaking 5 other things, and suddenly even simple changes take hundreds of developer hours, which you don't have because half your team is fighting bugs.

Luckily all of our most critical services run on well-developed platforms that get the time and resources they need to be durable and maintainable over time. (biggest /s I've ever written)

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fucking Factorio engineers everywhere, I swear.

[–] Supervivens@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t think a better analogy could possibly be made for this. Congrats, you win

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

This is unfortunately true... Tho what is driving the rent seeking isnt tech debt its greed

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 69 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

eBooks and digital rentals should cost a fraction of their physical counterparts, but instead they cost more because of ~~greed~~ convenience.

[–] ShawiniganHandshake@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The expensive part of making books is not the paper. My wife is an independent author and between editing, typesetting, cover design, etc. she spent about $1500 to publish each of her books.

While she could price her books at $1, that would present her with a few problems.

Firstly, people often value things based on what they've paid for them, so pricing your book too low makes people assume it is of poor quality.

Secondly, having positive reviews is extremely important for indie authors because the Almighty Algorithm will reward you or punish you based on the book's rating. Other indie authors she has talked to have seen a noticable decline in their book's rating after Amazon put it on sale and a bunch of people who might not have otherwise read it started buying copies. If you've ever worked retail or food service, you probably know that bargain hunters are often the people who are least reasonable and hardest to please. If the book is too cheap, you may attract an audience that harms its reputation.

Finally, trying to sell 2000+ copies of a book is pretty daunting for small authors and that's about what it would take to break even at $1 per copy.

Could big publishers and well known authors sell books for a buck? Probably. But for the majority of authors who aren't making their living by writing and only sell a few hundred copies ever, that's not really realistic.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Those are reasonable statements, but it doesn't explain why the digital equivalents cost MORE than their physical counterparts. Especially considering there's no manufacturing, distribution, shipping, storage, etc.. Sure, servers and bandwidth cost money, but nowhere near what an entire physical distribution chain costs. It's pennies on the dollar.

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Epub and PDF files are free though. Just gotta look harder.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Everything digital is free if you look hard enough, and are comfortable with piracy, but I'm talking about retail transactions.

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 62 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The word he's describing is called "enshittification".

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

No, it's monopoly capitalism. A certain Mr. Marx from Germany had a few things to say about it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

One consequence of monopoly capitalism is businesses pursuing growth in revenue more aggressively than growth in user base.

When the market is saturated, all you can do to pursue growth is to increase unit margin. This eventually leads to production of "fictitious capital" as a stand in for real capital (as paper assets cost virtually nothing to produce).

Das Kapital goes into lengthy detail about this process. Specifically, the "how much does it cost to make a coat" chapter gets into it in (exhaustive) detail.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Enshittification has nothing to do with pricing.

It's about market capture and the resulting lack of choices allowing market holders to maximize profits by degrading product performance. This can occur even when the product has no price.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's part of enshittification. Step 2 of enshittification is to entice in business buyers with low prices and changes that meet their needs. Step 3 is to cut costs and start price gouging to maximize profits.

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Google is free to use. It still is. There is no price.

Facrbook, fee to use. Still is.

Both have been enshittified. There is no price being gouged.

The services they do sell are to advertisers, those costs are not being cut, they are focused on improving their targeting to attract more revenue.

Enshittification is a very simply concept; only product quality is measured. There might be price gouging but turn doesn't have to be.

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 40 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I was renting a water heater. It had been installed in my house in the early 1980s. And the rental contract had been handed down from home owner to home owner.

But there was never an attempt at maintenance, even upon request I got told "there's no need, there's nothing to maintain on it." but they kept increasing the rental cost year over year "because of inflation". It had been paid off for decades! What do you mean you need to charge more? What exactly am I paying for? My water heater is just a number in your books. You have zero costs for it!

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

... Why would you rent a way heater, in a home you own? Is the house a school or something???

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 22 points 2 weeks ago

I've since replaced it with a water heater I bought outright. For a while I wasn't aware that you could just buy a heater. So I just gritted my teeth and paid up.

But my point was the weird and pointless increase of fees.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I've read your response to others that you bought the replacement outright, but I wonder if the original renter was about to sell their house and needed a water heater. Saddling the future with this debt could be cheaper than buying it outright.

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[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Get a heat pump water heater and give them back that junk!

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago

I have since replaced it with a water heater I bought outright. Sadly a heat pump isn't an option in my home. So it's a simple electric 80liter water heater.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There was another thread recently about what happened in your life that made you no longer feel like a child. I think for me one of those things was realizing that the price of things has very little to do at all with the cost of creating that thing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Price = Cost of Materials + (Middle Man + Middle Man + Middle Man + Middle Man + Middle Man + Middle Man) + Cost of Labor.

It's Econ 101

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nah, the cost of labor + materials + distribution is the minimum price of an item. The actual price in practice will be that price + whatever the manufacturer can get away with charging.

What determines the premium they can get away with is whether or not alternative goods exist and whether or not the consumers are informed of them, motivated to seek them out, and capable of making the switch.

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[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

This is actually the reason why taxes don't increase luxury item costs as the cost is set to the market demand rather than from supply. In fact, the benefits from taxes help people afford more products in a virtuous cycle. It's also the reason tariffs or taxes on raw goods are so bad as you actually are creating dead weight loss and driving down demand which can be useful or detrimental depending on why someone needs that product.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"But but but, my yacht collection? 😟"

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Shhhht, you'll make people angry!

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[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Cloud costs are going down

¿Huh?

Companies often have less new stuff to add

They never run out of stuff to add. Give any company enough resources and you would see weird and completely unrelated stuff attached to their products. I kid you not, I can apparently get a vet appointment in a taxi app, and my bank is now selling clothes and.... car parts? While the bank part of the app literally has no option to filter out only incoming transactions. Priorities, I guess...

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah companies need to stop being allowed to be multiple industries.

Like why does every department store have a credit card now? They should be using their profits to pay their employees, not loaning it out at insane interest rates.

[–] casadia880@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Usually those cards are serviced by a bank, the department store doesn't loan its money. I know a lot of stores use Synchrony bank

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[–] passepartout@feddit.org 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You could also try to write modular software and use standardized interfaces to prevent vendor lock in. Haha who am i kidding...

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

The problem (outside of competence and the fact that most people only really understand one tool) is that they're deliberately architected in ways that make it difficult to operate on them the same way. They're not just different function calls; they want you to make completely different assumptions about how to do things.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah but my boss told me I should use the magic API because it’s a panacea and will solve all of our problems.

[–] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is what I don't get. Progress and tech are supposed to make things cheaper and more efficient, not more expensive and resource hungry.

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[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Strong anti-trust enforcement is the key. As long as the major cloud providers are actually competing, it shouldn't be an issue.

Price-fixers need to face real consequences, not like the slap on the wrist that they got for fixing the price of ebooks at 10$.

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[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago

Demand goes down over time but the board expects increasing results. It's the capitalism.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

In an e-mail to [Steve] Jobs, Cue attributed Random House’s capitulation in part to 'the fact that I prevented an app from Random House from going live in the app store this week.'"

Well we all knew those things happened but it's the first time I see proof.

[–] mihor@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

Greedflation is the word you're looking for.

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