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[–] oce@jlai.lu 132 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I am quite disappointed. Given the title, I was like, wow, a generalist PC gaming website recommending people to switch to Linux! Read the article, Linux is not mentioned at all, I don't even know why it is in the title. Getting a few clicks from hippies?

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like radically insidious man.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)
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[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think it's making a serious suggestion. It's using "learn Linux" as an ironic punchline, like "just move to Canada". It's a kind of backhand.

This guy has seemingly never written about Linux before. No other articles mention it that I can find, except one where he talks about Linux overtaking Apple in gaming, where he talks mostly about Apple.

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[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

Thanks for this unqualified headline.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago (10 children)

For anyone who still needs Windows, I recommend you try the Windows 10 LTSC IoT variant.

It has support until 2032 and has all the bloatware ripped out. It's extremely good.

They even have a Windows 11 version. That's also really good. But I'm guessing if you've avoided upgrading to Windows 11, you'd prefer to stay on 10 anyway.

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[–] ChuckEffingNorris@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I keep seeing these " time to move to Linux" threads. For my work I have to use super proprietary software which I know for a fact is Windows only. Not only that it's GPU intensive CPU intensive and niche. I'm sure there's a way to run Windows within Linux but I can only imagine the pain in trying to get proprietary shite to work.

On top of that I need specific CAD software, Photoshop and Illustrator. I don't think any of these daily used programs support Linux.

From the outside, Linux just seems like an absolute ball ache to get working with all of the things I currently do without even thinking about it.

I'd love to do it. Not sure it's going to work. Am I wrong?

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 31 points 2 months ago (5 children)

No, you are right. In your situation, Linux is just not an option - yet.

I think these posts are meant for the 95% of people that use a browser, and maaaaybe a mail client on their PC.

Photoshop/Illustrator will only ever get ported if enough people have already made the move that Adobe can't afford to ignore Linux any longer.

That being said, if those requirements are just for work, what's keeping you on Windows on your private devices?

[–] ChuckEffingNorris@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's a fair point, other than I do need to work at home on occasion!

I'll have a good think about it.

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[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Different OSes for different use cases. You have a job to do. Just use Windows.

If you want to use Linux, use it on your own machines on your own time.

That said, there are a few things you can do if you really want to use Linux:

  1. Test if the app works on Wine, Proton, etc. Even GPU accelerated apps can work, depending on the software/driver stack.
  2. Run a Windows VM and pass-through a GPU. That way you'll get native performance on the app that's GPU intensive. Use KVM and the CPU overhead will be negligible.
  3. If you're doing 3D modeling/rendering, SFX, video editing or ML/AI, there are a lot of options on Linux. Some options that exist in Windows also have Linux versions.
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[–] proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 months ago (6 children)

There's Windows 10 LTSC, which gets security updates til 2027. And IoT Enterprise LTSC, which gets security updates until 2032.

"But should you even use those versions?!? They are not meant to be installed on a desktop PC/laptop" - idk, it's either this or Win11.

For more info on how to install, check https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

[–] ililiililiililiilili@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

For what its worth: I've been running enterprise since 2015 (when it was called LTSB) then switched to LTSC IoT around 2021. Its fantastic and doesn't have all the Candy Crush and other bullshit. I highly recommend.

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[–] nick@midwest.social 29 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Pirate a copy of windows 11 N. It’s the eu version that doesn’t have any of this dogshit in it.

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[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

Stop intimidating folks who just a computer that does work for them with "learn" linux as if linux is a programming language. Many linux distros are super user friendly and work exactly like windows UI.

Beside, why do you think iPhones, as dumb and as bloated and as restricted and limited and overpriced they are, still are the most selling phones worldwide year after year? It's because my 80 yr old mom knows how to use it.

Most people and professionals in the world just want a machine to do their work and are not intrested in learning progamming or command lines to do it. Nurses, doctors and surgeons, non-computer engineers, artists, business managers, ..etc, are too busy and occupied to even change the defaut settings or uninstall anything that comes with windows not because they love it but becuse not intrested and don't care. Add to those groups most, actually all, girls I've ever met in my life. They have different hobbies and learning OSes is not of them. It's like a girl saying "Soon Sephora will discontinue their HilightBrushExfoilioter and everyone who wants to wash their face needs to learn Mac's DeepBeauty routines". while dudes are like we know soaps but wtf is an exfoilating routine. Literally, they don't know what linux is, and it's not going to sell to tell them to learn.

So tl;dr: I'm saying the thing that sells would be Pop OS or Mint, or anything that requires the least or none learning curve.

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[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Last month, for the first time, Windows 11 was a more popular OS than Windows 10 in the Steam Hardware Survey. Of course, this is an imprecise science as people have to opt in to having their machines measured but it's a sign of wider adoption. Windows 8, on the other hand, never made it big enough to do the same in its lifespan. Windows 7 was a very popular OS and adoption even to Windows 10 was fairly slow initially, partially down to that skepticism.

You can't cite the jump from 7 to 8 or 7 to 10 without also remarking on the fact users had far more.control over updates back then.

Yeah, Windows 11 adoption is up, because most people don't have a choice, or they didn't care enough to stop it happening automatically, and don't know how to roll it back. That doesn't translate to approval.

At a certain point, adoption rates just don't matter anymore because increasingly the user doesn't have a choice anymore.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

the problem is so many office workplaces use windows and google, so unless you want to bring your own computer and buy a wifi hotspot to take to work, you're stuck on windows and google

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My work all takes place in a Linux environment. Unfortunately, my workplace still mandates using Windows.

I don't require any Windows software for work. My boss just insists that I must use a Windows laptop, then do all of my work either in WSL or a traditional VM setup.

It's baffling.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 months ago (13 children)

I only use the computer for word processing, internet, and playing roguelikes.

Fine. I guess I'll learn Linux 😒

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

For those use cases, there's very little actual learning to be done.

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[–] SteelCorrelation@lemmy.one 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m a government contractor, so I’m stuck on Windows and Microsoft products for work. It really sucks, but the government ain’t switching to Linux anytime soon… if ever. At least Windows 11 Enterprise (or Government, whatever) should have a lot of this shit stripped out. I hope.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Usually at that scale you create images with all this crap removed. When deployment time comes, the machines are reimaged from local/state IT.

I feel bad for the average home user that, at this point views more ads than content, and all this telemetry collection to boot.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 months ago (12 children)

As a Linux user this and posts like this piss me off. Linux is NOT and WILL NEVER be a replacement for any other operating system (except maybe Minix). By implying Linux is the same or similar enough to Windows you bring in Windows users who except everything to be the same. Fundamentally thats not a good thing for anyone, Windows users get confused and maintainers are encouraged not to deviate from Windows even in ways that make the OS better (for example KDE not going all in on tiling to appease Windows users). In my option Linux shouldn't be recommended to anyone. Linux software maintainers should focus on the core Linux userbase and people who want their OS to look and function exactly like Windows/MacOS should just use Windows or MacOS.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I made my move just recently. It was rocky, I ran into some issues and some of them were my fault.

I'm willing to put up with it currently not because Linux has gotten markedly better, but Windows has decided (yes, decided) to become significantly worse. Microsoft could have done nothing and I would have stayed a loyal, koolaid-drinking consumer of theirs.

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[–] Golfnbrew@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

Serious question : My desktop is incompatible with Win11, I run Win10, and I use it for web browsing, Excel, and a little Word processing. Nothing else. Can't i just continue on as is? Not a gamer, not a heavy user...

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago

The problem with that is that vulnerability will be found and used. Since it's connected to the internet it will be exposed to attackers and could be infected with botnet viruses/tools and used to attack other computer/services.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

you'll most likely be fine, there still exists people who use Windows 7 for that workflow. You have to be more aware of vulnerabilities that could be found on your operating system though; and over time more and more software might drop support for your OS (realistically, this will be more noticable when Windows 12-13 gets released) so you might not be able to use latest Office version's features.

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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Look into Rufus, it will help you create a bootable USB with windows 11 and you can use it to do a upgrade or clean install from your windows 10 installation (clean install preferred IMO), it will even help bypass the hardware requirements and you can even remove the email account and use a local account. Make sure to use or write down your windows 10 activation/license for a clean install.

https://rufus.ie/en/

Guide: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-install-windows-11-the-way-you-want-and-bypass-microsofts-restrictions/

That being said you could potentially still run the old wondows OS, but as time goes on new exploits could be found that can compromise the OS. If its behind a firewall such as your router its safer, but there is still the possibility of it being infected way off into the future.

Here is a video of windows XP running on a PC connected directly to the internet with no firewall. Its infected almost instantaneously. (Dont try this at home).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uSVVCmOH5w

[–] burgeoning@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Dual-boot Linux Mint, and install Microsoft fonts from the package manager to make documents more cross compatible. Should be a fairly easy migration for your use case. It took me about a year of dual booting to completely switch over to Mint, but it was worthwhile.

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[–] villainy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When did PC Gamer start hijacking the back button to show more ads? Infuriating.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I just open things in new tabs with the mouse wheel click, then press ctrl-w to close the tab.

I don't play their games

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Real talk.

I have been around long enough to know that this conversation has happened ever since Windows 7.

And each time and every time an OS EOL I spend time investigating a couple of Linux distros to try that switch.

This time is no different. From Redhat to Debian to Ubuntu to popOS to Mint. Each one is significantly better than the last.

But even 2024, I'm having to spend time inside the terminal to make the OS act more like Windows.

Tailscale has no native app. Gotta install it in the terminal. I want to use my touch screen in the browser to swipe the back button. Nope, I spent 2 hours on forums and ChatGPT and had to install something in the terminal. I was not successful. My Nvidia video card is not working properly. I gave up after.

Why am I spending hours trying to make my experience like Windows when Windows is right there. Sure sure, privacy and advertising yada yada. Install Adguard and disable services that you don't agree with.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I deal with this issue every few years grappling with a new linux install. And then gaslighted into thinking it's a non-issue when asking for help. "No big deal, just copy these long lines into the terminal to install this thing that would take a single click on Windows". Like being obstinant is a virtue

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