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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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“Even if these sources of data bias could be identified and corrected, however, there may still be some group-based differences that are not attributable to data bias. If so, groups may experience different risk scores and categories that would not necessarily indicate bias. Further, it is often difficult (or impossible) to discern whether some observed group-level differences in data are genuine or reflect some sort of systemic bias.“

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[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hopefully it’s clear this is super problematic in the context of risk assessment tools. It means if you are categorized as part of a racial group that is convicted of more crimes, you might be categorized as a higher risk than you would otherwise.

They argue models from education and psychology that address racial disparities could be adapted, but those institutions are designed to help people rather than to decide if they should be in jail.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It means if you are categorized as part of a racial group that commits more crimes, you might be categorized as a higher risk thank you would otherwise.

Not commits more crimes. Disproportionately arrested and convicted of more crimes.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago

Yes that’s more precise, I’ve edited it. Thanks!

[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Further, it is often difficult (or impossible) to discern whether some observed group-level differences in data are genuine or reflect some sort of systemic bias.

The fact that systemic bias is sufficient to make someone say this is kind of problematic, no?

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes (agreed)— justice in the US is supposed to happen at an individual level, so even if it were true that systemic bias made one more likely to be convicted of a crime (just for illustration say living in a high conviction zip code where 99% of people have been convicted of a crime) it would not be appropriate to use that data to predict or assess any individual human’s potential behavior.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

Just in case people aren’t familiar, some context from the aclu.

Also note: the is regarding the united states