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[–] echo@lemmings.world 87 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Agree with the philosophy, but stupid that she's running for president. Until/unless we change FPTP voting the only the Democrat and Republican running even matter and if you don't explicitly vote for the one then your are implicitly voting for the other.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't begrudge her campaign. Making noise on the national level is a good way to elevate the message and slowly undo the demonization of socialism. It's her supporters acting like Harris is the same as Trump that chap my ass.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The problem with that is "the media" treats anyone other than D, R, and occasionally Jill Stein as non existent. She isn't making noise on the national level because that requires the media to "amplify" you and all we hear from them about her right now is

I didn't forget to finish the sentence.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lenin argued that communists should take part in bourgeois elections because this will get them tribune to loudly proclaim their program, though this should be the least they do, not the most and the main effort should be outside of electorial politics and on organising working class.

Now thing is, when Lenin wrote this, he meant the tsarist duma, which was even fakier democracy than the current American one, with 3 tiers of electors, censuses, workers and peasants barely getting few % of representation and rest going to landowners and their pets, okhrana secret police arresting socialists and peasant activists and closing their newspapers (there was a case where huge participation of workers put iirc 15 worker representatives in duma, and tsar just fucking imprisoned them). But they were still heard.

Now, nearly 120 years later, bourgeosie don't even have to be so heavy handed, they just drown the communist message in a media flood, and even cases like removing third party candidate from ballot and deplatforming them cause no big response from the so called "liberty" advocates.

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[–] zante@lemmy.wtf 12 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Consider it from the point of view of the millions of under educated working poor.

they live in a state of precarity and they are being told trump is bad apparently because of ‘project 2025’ or some other nebulous concept.

Thats not gonna land with them. They don’t have the luxury of considering the dangers of “dismantling the administration “ under trump. They need to pay the rent and buy groceries and care for their sick, before they can weigh the relative morality of the candidates.

They wake up, they see rich people getting richer and their life getting harder 24/7/365 and they see no one doing anything about it .

This is why the Dems never get it .

Working people are too hard up to worry about a power struggle between the super rich and the ultra wealthy.

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's democracy. She's allowed to run for POTUS.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 month ago (15 children)

When, I think of "socialism," I think of modern day Scandinavian health care, not Soviet-era Russia. Who do these pants -wetting idiots think they're scaring?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago

Scandinavian healthcare isn't socialism though, that's part of the problem.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When, I think of “socialism,” I think of modern day Scandinavian health care, not Soviet-era Russia.

One of the upshots of the Great Patriotic War producing so many invalids and disabled veterans was a Soviet state dedicated to providing top quality public services for its veterans. An entire municipality - Rusinovo - was built to cater to the blind, in order to accommodate the number of Soviets who had lost their sight to chemical weapons and other injuries. It became a model for a host of disability-friendly improvements to cities the world over, and you can still find them if you know where to look. The Tokyo subway adopted the Rusinovo model for raised, guided pathways, for instance. And audible signals at crosswalks and in city metros are common mass transit features globally.

After the fall of the USSR, much of the country was privatized and subsequently looted by the Yeltsin-friendly oligarchs who endorsed the coup against Gorbachev. Rusinovo was one such target for looting. The school for the blind was defunded. Factories specifically geared to allow blind workers to participate in the manufacturing center were shuttered and stripped for parts. The transit network was gutted.

Who do these pants -wetting idiots think they’re scaring?

Post-Soviet Eastern Europe is regularly held up as the consequence of Soviet Economics taken to their logical conclusion. So you'll routinely see Western politicians point to states like Estonia or Solvakia or the shattered remnants of the Yugoslavian Republic as proof of the Failed Socialist Experiment.

What you don't typically hear is the rapid deterioration that occurred after the USSR was dismantled and partitioned off under Yeltsin. Or how much of the Soviet Era wealth was stolen by mafiosos and corrupt agents operating on behalf of western business interests and rival espionage agencies nce the Iron Curtain was torn down.

In some sense, its a lie. "Look at how awful it is now! That's because of the socialism they did back then."

In some sense, its a threat. "Try socialism again, and you're next."

[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Well, considering the election results in Europe and the US, they are scaring a whole lot of people.

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[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rec...? Recre...?? Recreation? Is that like fun or something

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably when you're supposed to be "hustling" or "grinding," or whatever the nomenclature is now for trying to make survival sound cool.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And internet. Basic internet connection should be a human right at this point. It's infinite free education at your fingertips.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Admit it, you just want infinite memes

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

tell that to m'uricah, oh wait cant because two party system

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[–] sinceasdf@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (19 children)

How is she a spoiler? She's the only major leftist candidate, who is she pulling from?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 month ago (65 children)

In America you either one of the 2 main or a spoiler. Y'all really need ranked voting.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Alternative voting systems haven't proven to be even the slightest obstacle to capitalist rule. Japan and Australia have alternative voting systems, and they're still on the same far right path, still evict indigenous peoples, and still act as US military bases.

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