It's good that he's going away for 22 years. However, the sentencing guidelines called for between 324 to 405 months (27-33 years) so by the Judge's own calculations this is a miscarriage of justice and yet another right wing domestic terrorist is being handled with kid gloves. Fucking disgraceful.
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27 year minimum sentences are already insanity. If the justice system is supposed to be corrective rather than vengeful, there's nothing to be gained from these overly long sentences. No one's willingness to commit a crime is going to change with a 22 year sentence vs. a 33 year sentence, and the offender is no more likely to reform in years 23-33 than they were in years 12-22.
22 years is A LONG TIME. So long that they're almost certainly going to have fully adapted to prison life as "normal" long before it ends, and long enough that no one would ever consider it a reasonable cost for potential reward. Someone getting a two-decade sentence was entirely counting on not getting caught/charged.
I'm all for keeping him in there for longer, simply for the purpose of keeping him out of circulation. Doesn't hurt my feelings that he's going to be in his 60's before he gets out.
This. In ordinary cases, I might be for leniency / shorter sentences. However, these people are very dangerous. They are home-grown terrorists and a message has to be sent others who have similar ideas about civil war and/or insurrection in support of fascists like donnie. Keeping people like this out of civilization for a very long timeout is critical.
Yeah but if we were trying we could rehab this dude in like two years. Probation conditions and monitoring could keep him in check, not just him pretty much any convict.
I wonder if we could rehab the entire GOP in two years.
When it a group I think it's called reeducation, which is arguably needed.
These people's entire ideology is based on the lies of trickle down economics, rage culture, sexism, and racism. Whatever education they got, it wasn't enough to make them realize how stupid and incorrect their ideas are.
22 years ago was 2001. So the equivalent time from 9/11 to now in prison.
Doesn't seem like enough to me. I mean I went from 30 something to 50 something, I still have life in front of me.
If your desire is for him to not have any life in front of him, then your goal for the prison system is neither to prevent crime nor to rehabilitate criminals. Just admit it's bloodthirstiness and execute the wrongdoers.
Attempting to overthrow the government should be a life term or near enough to it.
It helps that he can't vote for the next 5 presidential elections and on release will no longer be allowed to own guns, but 22 years doesn't seem like enough.
How long should he go in for?
A common maximum sentence in other countries is ~20 years (with exceptions for those who remain a threat to public safety after the standard period).
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/2/12/18184070/maximum-prison-sentence-cap-mass-incarceration
I just wonder what the rehabilitation plan is for someone like this. How do you bring a leader of a group like this back to being a normal citizen? And what will the alt right call it even if it were attempted? Liberal/Communist indoctrination?
That's pretty much in line with US stats
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_sentences.jsp
... but some people do deserve more, of course
17% being >20 isn't really in-line. That's 1 in 6 prisoners.
...and 5 in 6 being < 20
I'm not saying it's perfectly in line but it's not one everyone in prison is doing life
You would expect most inmates, even in a retributive system, to not have done anything worthy of a max-length sentence. That most sentences are not two decades long doesn't really mean much. You'd expect that in any system short of North Korea.
The US is way out of the norm for its prison lengths and number of people imprisoned, because people like the retributive feel of long sentences. The >20 year sentences are entirely pointless, but the sentences below that are frequently for crimes that would never warrant such a long sentence elsewhere. Norway, which has a maximum sentence of 21 years, has an average incarceration length of 8 months. In the United States, the average incarceration is 63 months (5 years).
This would carry more weight if you cited sources for your statements. ;)
Science has known harsher sentencing is not a deterrent since the 80's. Breaking up families and communities causes intergenerational poverty and trauma, and as a result causes more crime. That's what they teach in criminology because that's what's proven by the science.
People who want harsher sentencing instantly reveal themselves as unserious about criminal justice or in any way reducing crime.
It’s both corrective, and preventative. Animals like that piece of shit shouldn’t be trusted to walk amongst the public.
Should've been maximum sentence.
If the reduced sentence allowed a swifter sentence, it may be a good thing overall, as this can now be used as precedent.
You can try to spin it as a "good thing" that the Trump appointed judge failed to deliver a sentence in accordance with the guidelines all you want. The fact of the matter remains Tarrio got off far too easy and by at least five years.
It was probably part of a plea deal. Defense agreed to lighter sentence in exchange for not appealing.
Article says Tarrio plans to appeal.
Now you're just speculating.
Can you suggest another realistic possibility, or are you just being contrarian?
You should read the article because it clearly explains that he's planning to appeal. But they've sneakily hidden that information all the way down in the third sentence.
He asked U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly, "please show me mercy" and that he "not take my 40s from me."
Try 40s and 50s, and some your 60s, you traitor scumbag
LOLOLOL. This is the "find out" stage for all these wanna-be tough guy hyperpatriots.
Nothing patriotic about these fucking incels.
I really wish news articles on guys like this would not use photos of them where they are trying to look all "hard" in their stupid Meal Team Six gear, smoking a cigarette and/or wearing the glasses and backwards hat, and instead would use pictures where they look a bit more ridiculous.
Like when Henry was arrested. Or this one:
Why ex? He is still very much involved in the ideology of it and hasn't changed. Just because he is in prison doesn't make him an ex proud boy does it?
Ex Proud Boys leader. He is no longer the leader.
Ah gotcha. That makes more sense. Just want to have the correct facts.
sooo.
Proud Boys' ex-leader
grammar hard
Good. Let’s see what his daddy Trump gets. And good luck trying to get a pardon lol
Vote.
Good, let them all rot.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - A former chairman of the right-wing Proud Boys group was sentenced on Tuesday to 22 years in prison for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of Donald Trump trying to overturn the former president's election defeat.
Enrique Tarrio was convicted of charges, including seditious conspiracy, for his role in planning the storming of the Capitol, when thousands of supporters of the Republican then-U.S. president violently tried to stop Congress from certifying the results of an election that Trump falsely claimed had widespread fraud.
Oath Keepers militia founder Stewart Rhodes in May was also sentenced to 18 years.
Nordean and Rhodes had previously been tied for the longest sentence handed down in the case.
More than 1,100 people have been arrested on charges related to the Capitol assault, and of those at least 630 have pleaded guilty and at least 110 have been convicted at trial.
Special Counsel Jack Smith, who was tapped to investigate broader efforts to overturn the 2020 election, has charged Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, for trying to keep himself in power.
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22 years is nothing to sneeze at, but I see Danny Masterson got 30 years to life. Yes, rape is obviously a terrible crime. But if this d-bag was actually successful in his terrorism, he would have negatively impacted MILLIONS of Americans, possibly causing all kinds of death and misery.
How do we even know that this guy isn’t antifa in disguise?
They are everywhere...
