So in other words, neutral evil. He'll exploit the law to further his selfish goals like the rest of them, but he also has zero hesitation to ignore the law when that suits him better, which precludes any "lawful" alignment.

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[–] woodgen@lemm.ee 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Musk and Trump are chaotic evil.

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[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey. Trump probably isn't really a billionaire and has managed to get charged for crimes even though his former job made him legally above the law. I don't think lawful evil is the correct alignment.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

More like chaotic moron

[–] wombatula@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely Chaotic Evil, have you ever read his 3am rage tweets?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Nah, he's textbook neutral evil. He'll sometimes break the law to his advantage and sometimes exploit the law to his advantage. He doesn't give a fuck either way.

[–] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You think these folks are lawful evil? Trump has 90 some indictments against him.

[–] paholg@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

He's definitely not lawful, but I'm also not sure he belongs on a billionaire chart.

[–] Sporrik@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lawful != Following the law of the land Lawful means your justification for your actions is within the bounds of a strict personal code or creed.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, and Trump doesn’t seem to have one of those either. But I chalk that up to the brain worms more than anything else.

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[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Obligatory: 'lawful' alignment doesn't necessarily entail not committing crimes, only adherence to some sort of code.

But yes, Trump doesn't do that, either.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 59 points 1 year ago

Yea gonna go ahead and say at least 6 of these scumbags are unlawful evils.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lawful implies that they respect the laws...

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe in this case Lawful implies that they buy the laws?

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Actually, I'm pretty sure Trump, being the eternal narcissist who thinks of himself being above the rules as a given, would be Neutral Evil. He wants to assert his selfish will on society IN SPITE OF the law as often as by USING the law.

The others are accurate, though.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Elon is definitely Chaotic Evil now.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, I'm pretty sure that he's still lawful evil. Just because the rules are getting more nonsensical and arbitrary doesn't mean that he's no longer committing evil using rules and regulations like a true lawful evil villain.

I don't know if you're one of them, but a lot of people think that chaotic evil is inherently more evil than neutral or lawful evil. It's not. It's just a different flavor of malevolence 🤷

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago

Trumpy is only is a billionaire in his dreams

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lmfao, this one man is hoarding enough money to solve world hunger 10 times over, and enough influence to change the entire way the world is run, but what he wants (and I know this because of his actions) is to never drop out of the top 5 richest people on the planet list.

And he has you not only convinced that he gives a shit about anyone but himself, but so much so that you are willing to publicly lick his boot.

Good to see the PR is serving its purpose I guess..

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're right, but 100 billion is definitely not enough to solve world hunger. It an enormous systematic problem and can't be solved by just throwing pocket change at it.
Now, influence maybe, that's hard to quantify.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Actually, you could solve world hunger for free, by destroying the system that creates it, and fairly distributing the food already being produced

But even if you look at actually tackling it within capitalism, I was basing my estimation on when the UN told Musk it would take 6 billion.
That link confirms that that figure is out of date, but yours is still off Current estimates suggest that as of this year, we need donor governments to invest around $37 billion every year until 2030 to tackle both extreme and chronic hunger

That really is pocket change if they split it between them, even just the top 5 or even ten richest, let alone all of them.
They choose not to

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[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago

He made that money by stealing the surplus value of other people's labor, which probably would've done much more good in the hands of the workers instead of being hoarded, as much of it is now.
His business practices harmed consumers.
His meddling in education has caused much harm.
He met with Epstein many times, and probably committed statutory rape.

[–] paholg@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

Were he not evil, he never would have become a billionaire in the first place.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Extend, Embrace, Extinguish

he is literally one of the most deplorable people known to man and is the literal definition of a capitalist. Whitewashing, propaganda, proprietisation, he does all and everything detrimental to society

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

looks like someone fell for the propaganda. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GOOD BILLIONAIRE. which charity does he mainly donate to again? oh yeah, the one which his family controls. he has painted himself as a genuinely good person. idc how much he pledges to donate when he dies, if he still has the money now, he is evil.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago

The dude single handily fucked the American education system by mainstreaming voucher schools. His "gifts to education" was a poison pill and that really does sum up the entirety of billionaire philanthropy.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If being a billionaire is inherently deplorable, why are you defending one?

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because out of all billionaires in today's world he gives more back to society than almost any of them.

[–] Saizaku@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah he gives so much back, like the time he was lobbying against lifting the patent on covid vaccines at the height of the pandemic so developing countries can afford them because he invested in vaccine companies.

How does that boot taste tho?

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[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

imagine a society not dependent on individual charity (with wealth expropriated from the working class) for improving material wellbeing.

does a 'nice' king justify monarchy?

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[–] gencha@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump is a billionaire?

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

If you only use his own words as a source, yes.

[–] chellewalker@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does "Lawful" apply here when they're buying politicians to change those laws for them?

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lawful doesn't necessarily mean following the laws of a state, but adherence to order and hierarchy. Buying politicians to bureaucratically stack the deck in one's favor is compatible with lawful evil, for someone upholding a hierarchy in which they're (supposed to be) on top.

If it's more driven by greed than ideology, it's probably more neutral evil.

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[–] ipha@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

They're lawful only because they write the laws.

[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Musk was bald but too vain to wear it well.

[–] giantfloppycock@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Awful* Evil

[–] RealAccountNameHere@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dunno, I think Elon leans Chaotic.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Chaotic stupid. Definitely a murderhobo if I ever saw one

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chaotic stupid evil.

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Might be switching Trump to unlawful evil in a few months here.also might be dropping him from the list entirely

[–] rsaeshalm@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bald men unite!

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Bald evil

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Are you still a billionaire if there's a minus sign in front of your net worth?

[–] Ucinorn@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

I like how they are all still 100% appropriate to their positions in a proper alignment chart.

Except Elon, he definitely seems to have a dark undertone under all the bullshit.

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