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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/16162455

How Russia is Influencing US Voters. Russian Intelligence Document "Guerrilla Media Campaign in the US" [Translated] Page 5

Rest of the document is visible here:

https://www.justice.gov/d9/2024-09/exhibits_9a_and_9b.pdf

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 85 points 2 months ago (8 children)

And before people say "not Lemmy, we are too small" - It's pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits before they get promoted to Facebook and reddit duty (either intentionally or otherwise). There have been a few narratives this election which seem to have been tested out on here weeks before getting to Facebook and reddit. "Blue MAGA" was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (6 children)

There are certain actors on Lemmy that I'm betting will disappear after the presidential election cycle or significantly pull back their posting.

Basically fanning the flames of "democrat bad, support israel genocide" while also saying "republican not in power, can't blame them!". Genocide is terrible no matter who does it and we shouldn't pretend Republicans would be any better. In all likelihood, they would be worse.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 2 months ago

this is a bit scary as the fediverse is likely a bit more difficult than facebook and such. I hate to think we are training them to well.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It’s pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits

Is there any evidence to substantiate this claim, or are we doing the "Everyone on the instance I don't like is a Russian bot, because they disagree with me" line of reasoning?

“Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.

Wasn't this in response to the dead-end Biden guys who were growing increasingly hysterical as he tanked out in the polls? Lemmy's gotten significantly more normal since Harris took the top of the ticket and the numbers have rebounded.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, more like "Russian bots exist and some people I disagree with are Russian bots." Which is pretty much the entire premise of the article.

It's also pretty easy to tell the difference IMO. The trolls tend to just do nothing but troll and flame. They don't really spend much time engaging on other topics.

As far as why I think Lemmy is a training ground? Call it a hunch. Obviously I don't have a notarized letter from a troll farm saying that they are in control of a certain worldnews forum, but a lot of the usual suspects fit a bit too neatly into that box to not raise an eyebrow. There are some other patterns as well but its definitely all circumstantial.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

It’s also pretty easy to tell the difference IMO.

Sounds like something a bot would say.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Is there any evidence to substantiate this claim, or are we doing the “Everyone on the instance I don’t like is a Russian bot, because they disagree with me” line of reasoning?

It's option B in all cases.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 66 points 2 months ago

In order for this work to be effective, you need to use a minimum of fake news and a maximum of realistic information. At the same time, you should continuously repeat that this is what is really happening, but the official media will never tell you about it or show it to you.

Yep, that last sentence pretty much sums up right-wing media, especially since "Candidate A" ~~who is definitely not Trump, shhh~~ ran for office around 2016.

[–] mrddu3at2@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Gee, I wonder what the censored bits actually say. It's a total mystery.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So basically the Russian government branch of Fox news.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fox News IS the conservative plutocracy's STATE propaganda network. The only difference is they created the state media before they seized control of the state.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

They’re the same picture.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 20 points 2 months ago

'In the fox news style'

Hmmm 🤔

Also interesting how much they count on white grievances and making white people feel attacked. It's almost like these things make you easier to manipulate.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (6 children)

“Manga editorial office”??

Russia has learned the power of Japan.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Mistranslation of “Maga”?

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Given that the other two are text and video, I'm going to guess it should be image.

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[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That puzzled me too.

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[–] itsathursday@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

This is the most moronic timeline.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Must be a trip to work in the department of memes and propaganda as a memesmith

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The video editoral needs an union.

3-4 images a day is chill. 3-4 videos is insane.

Yeah lol. I can make 3-4 shitty memes in 30 mins.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maybe it's time to return the favor.

I wonder if Russians are aware of the ways Putin enriches himself off of Russian poverty and suffering. Let's make sure they know how to solve that problem.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

They aren't but they don't care.

You can't comprehend how psychologically broken Russians are, they've had centuries of lies with 0 truth, they just learned to accept whatever, because they know the alternative could always be a gunshot (or open window nowadays).

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago (17 children)

The West should just adopt the same tactics for Russian social media channels (VK, Telegram, etc), regular civilian groups if the state does not want to resort to it. Feed Russia some of their own medicine.

I have no doubt that the USA has fingers in the pie of public sentiments elsewhere.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

This document has shaped every little chat I've had with every little tankie.

Neato!

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
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