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The New York City police department plans to pilot the unmanned aircrafts in response to complaints about large gatherings, including private events, over Labor Day weekend, officials announced Thursday.

“If a caller states there’s a large crowd, a large party in a backyard, we’re going to be utilizing our assets to go up and go check on the party,” Kaz Daughtry, the assistant NYPD Commissioner, said at a press conference.

The plan drew immediate backlash from privacy and civil liberties advocates, raising questions about whether such drone use violated existing laws for police surveillance.

“It’s a troubling announcement and it flies in the face of the POST Act,” said Daniel Schwarz, a privacy and technology strategist at the New York Civil Liberties Union, referring to a 2020 city law that requires the NYPD to disclose its surveillance tactics. “Deploying drones in this way is a sci-fi inspired scenario.”

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 140 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it illegal to have house parties in NYC? Why is the NYPD busting up keggers like campus police?

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It becomes illegal when there are too many people there, or there is violence, underage drinking, drug usage, and if it's too loud, the attendees are parking in the street blocking traffic, fire risks all sorts of shit

[–] uis@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They are not responding to complains, they are searching themselves

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[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Those sound like things they need a warrant to learn about in a place with a reasonable expectation of privacy.

[–] Wookie@artemis.camp 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they doing this in white, affluent communities?

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's all stuff people can call the cops for, no need for surveillance.

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[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

So the cops and fuck with your backyard party if you smoke a joint?

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[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, it wouldn’t be the police if they didn’t try to violate people’s rights before lawmakers can tell them no.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They shoud have to fire and not rehire half the police force every time this kind of thing haopens

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

Oh no, not a large crowd on private property - this deservers police spying! /S

[–] pwalshj@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They totally won't use this to perv on girls sunning themselves on their private property. They have already been busted multiple times perving on girls walking in midtown but they would never do anything like that again and again and again.

[–] Dr_pepper_spray@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

So I've installed and operated PTZ cameras for multiple television shows and events, sometimes with junior operators - or just production assistants or other crew. These are in places where people know cameras are present. I can guarantee it doesn't take long for people at the camera control unit to learn they can zoom in on people's phones on set or follow girls around - and these are all professional people.

Cops with a drone that can zoom in on people unwittingly, in their back yards?! Oh, they are certainly going to do shit like this, or worse - they'll likely record for themselves.

[–] bigkix@lemm.ee 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not from US - why is it forbidden to have a large group of people in the backyard?
As for the drones - just wow...

[–] 30mag@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not from US - why is it forbidden to have a large group of people in the backyard?

It isn't.

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Any excuse to use surveillance cameras to spy on people will be used. It's not forbidden to have a party, but the shithead cops want to spy on people anyway just in case they might catch them breaking some laws.

There is also a nationwide program being implemented to feed the video from private security cameras into police surveillance systems. It's called FUSUS and they use equipment installed in private networks to upload the private security cameras' video to the police surveillance systems. Lots of people are signing on to this horrific program - businesses, schools, churches, community centers, etc. The police can use it to track people with video surveillance without a warrant. Security cameras anywhere you go could be potentially tapped into by government authorities to monitor you. It's already all over the USA and being rolled out in the UK now too.

Just as it is in the UK with their surveillance cameras everywhere, this is the future that George Orwell tried to warn us about.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not forbidden. This is a huge overstep by the police but typical of American police, who are allowed to violate our civil rights with impunity.

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[–] average650@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's not forbidden.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

we’re going to be utilizing our assets to go up and go check on the party

Still bitter that they were never invited to any parties in high school and college. Seriously though, they need to back the fuck up. We have an amendment that requires them to get a warrant to spy on us on our own property or in our own house. Civil liberties groups need to stop raising questions and sue the fuck out of the police, judges, Mayor, and legislature. I hope someone knocks those drones out of the air. This kind of shit is infuriating. And no this isn't a sci-fi scenario, this is a clear and present dystopia.

[–] Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 50 points 1 year ago

Reading comments defending cops for launching drones to surveill people in their homes really boosts my morning faith in humanity.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago

Land of the not even slightly free.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

what a crazy abuse of power and resources fuck the police

[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This all seems stupid.

If you have a party big and crazy enough to justify airborne surveillance, the police will be able to figure it out just by showing up at your door. No drones are needed.

That being said, NYC has been flying helicopters for decades, so really nothing new privacy wise other than the size of the aircraft and the fact that "drone" invokes fears that drive clicks.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget scale. Significantly more practical to have a couple dozen drones than helicopters

[–] BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They would not launch a helicopter to confirm a large scale party.

But even still, so they use a drone and they do confirm a large scale party, then what? They have to deploy the police to the house anyhow. Isn't better to have police just out patrolling and visiting these complaints? Then at least they look like they are doing something for the community.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago

Drones can get closer without detection. Also there's a limit to helicopter use since they cause noise pollution.

[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

For people wanting to take down drones, I think a directed energy weapon would work. It uses a beam high frequency radio waves or microwaves to disable electronics. Since there's no projectile, it would be easier to use without getting caught.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The inverse square law will ensure that anything you have that's powerful enough to disable a drone in flight will be at least the size of a semi truck.

Electromagnetic radiation is great for communication, not so much energy transfer.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are already effective "guns" for jamming drones that are the size of a large rifle.

We can shape EM "beams" -- lasers, directional antennas, etc. Inverse square law is far less of a concern for collimated beams.

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[–] ours@lemmy.film 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The military already uses such devices. They look like bulky sci-fi rifles and are quite man-portable. They aren't frying the drone, they just need to send a signal stronger than its control signal so the inverse square law works in its favor.

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[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Sorry what's the problem with a party?

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Easy fix. Take a picture of the ground, using a drone. Then get a big marquee and have that picture painted on the marquee.

Your party is now invisible.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Seems a great use of an anti drone gun

[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There's a book I think everyone should read, and it's not Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Is it illegal to blind drone cameras with lasers yet?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 year ago

They'll try destruction of property charges

[–] obious@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Yes, the FAA treats it as a serious violation.

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wouldn't risk life in prison to find out, they might just call the drone a helicopter to arrest you

Edit: To be clear, fuck the police and their spy toys. I just don't wanna get caught doing something that will ruin my life, and I hope it doesn't happen to anyone else.

[–] Zengen@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I be establishing an anti drone firing squad in NYC. We will shoot down any law enforcement drones we find. Fuck the NYPD. fuck the mayor. If your drone flies over my property in NYC it will be shot lol.

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[–] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

someone should manufacture net launchers for cheaper than $1,000 on average.

[–] pensa@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the probability of the cops catching you using a net launcher is too high.

I think a diy directional emp would be a better choice. https://techlinkcenter.org/news/heres-the-armys-now-patented-emp-rifle-attachment-for-taking-out-small-drones#!

For the more technically inclined, I would imagine something like a software defined radio with a powerful transmitter could take control of the drone and go park it in the Hudson.

I'm pretty sure all of these options are highly illegal. So this is just for informational purposes only. :)

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Remember when bill of rights?

[–] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You know i'm not a fan of guns but this makes me think about buying an anti aircraft weapon...

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[–] Zima@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

i hope they can be dazzled/jammed in a way that is not illegal. just have bright lamps pointing up or something

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Or slingshot it, then claim you thought it was a perv and not a cop drone because they have no discernable markings from so far up.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Use your own drone to say hi...

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