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Stuff like "stupid, idiot, moron, dumb," you know the ones. If you’re insulting someone for their shitty garbage beliefs and all you can manage to come up with is ways to insult their intelligence, appearance, or other aspect about them that has nothing to do with their cruelty and shittyness, you should maybe reevaluate.

Just saw a thread on here where a user was stubbornly refusing to adjust their language when another user politely pointed out that it was harmful to our comrades as well, and the person refusing was massively upvoted and the comrade trying to explain why it was harmful was downvoted. Thought we were better than that

I'm not calling anyone out, just wanted to make a post explaining my feelings on it and that when stuff like that happens (not the intelligence based insults, I know its hard to switch, but getting insulted for asking people to avoid them) it hurts and makes me feel less welcome here </3

Using words like “You’re being ignorant” or “That’s a cruel belief” is actually more effective than just going “lmao idiot”.

If those are the words you actually mean to convey I'd say use them instead :)

Edit: if the reception this post got isn't a good proof that this is something this community needs to grapple with, I don't know what is.

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[–] RedStarLesbian@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (7 children)

I’m neudivergent and I agree with you but, on the other hand, I don’t think insults that are obviously hyperbolic and don’t refer to any real life condition a person could be in are that bad. Like if someone compared a chud’s brain to a leaky, expired chicken egg, I don’t care.

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[–] drinkinglakewater@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (5 children)

usually when i say "stupid" or "dumb" i mean ignorant or uncritical or thoughtless or uncaring or whatever, is this ok or is it like people dont knw my intent when i say those words so i shouldnt use them

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[–] AnarchoLeninist@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Jesus fucking christ we're all gonna die.

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[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

I sometimes wonder how to ride the line between sensitivity towards marginalized people like disabled people, and being understanding/tolerant about the problematic language of most people so as not to be alienating and harmful to growth. I can see why the words you listed present issues, but given that they're so common to most people's language (not to say that it should remain that way), what is a good course of action (not that it's all on any one person to come up with a solution)?

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[–] communism@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

good to see the trend of "i'm in argument in another thread, time to make a new thread about it" has continued from reddit

[–] Budwig_v_1337hoven@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

More like, argument about another site's rules in another thread...

Don't get me wrong OP, I'm not going to defend ableist language - but I really haven't seen any directed at actual users here. Maybe I'm literally blind to the issue, but... Chill mby?

[–] QuillQuote@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (2 children)

The other site or rules are irrelevant to why I made this post, I made it because someone bringing up "hey lets avoid insults like this" got massively downvoted and the person insulting them was upvoted. A discussion on this is clearly needed

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (8 children)

Is smoothbrain/brainworms still fine, or is that also considered ableist? As someone suffering from a physical disabilitiy I'm always trying to be compassionate and thoughtful to others so honest question here.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (5 children)

I get where you're coming from Quill, and I think full blown slurs like re[dacted] are should unambiguously be denounced. But I'm not sure if extending this to any language that could be considered ableist is productive. There's an enormous range of possible disabilities and a lot of language that can be considered ableist in one way or another.

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[–] astigmatic@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (8 children)

please stop writing multiparagraph threads about this it is not that serious

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[–] Perplexiglass@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Bad: Ben Shapiro is a short, ugly moron.

Good: Ben Shapiro is short and ugly.

[–] QuillQuote@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)

If you’re insulting someone for their shitty garbage beliefs and all you can manage to come up with is ways to insult their intelligence, appearance, or other aspect about them that has nothing to do with their cruelty and shittyness, you should maybe reevaluate.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (3 children)

Agreed about calling people stupid.

Thoughts on calling ideas stupid?

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