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Has replaceable battery, ARM64 architecture, sim card slot, USB OTG support, sd card slot, uab type c and no front camera. Ships to europe. Also, I don't want most of the budget to go for the camera.

minimum: • decent charging and internet send/recieve speed • multi-touch • android 8 or 9 • no annoying bloatware and restrictions (unless can be disabled with ADB) • 2gb ram (1gb free average or less) • 16gb storage (max 8gb system usage) • 60hz refresh rate • 16:9 aspect ratio • screen that can be dimmed to very very dark • can emulate nds games at 50-60fps • very long battery life (8 hours wih airplane mode off) • Runs well 8 years

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[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I've read your replies in here. Some of your requests are misguided. You want Android 8 or 9 because anything newer will come with "more garbage"? That simply isn't true, and there are a plethora of useful features that only arrived in Android 12 onwards.

Any bloatware can be dealt with, any animations you deem superfluous can be disabled, you can change out the launcher for something with zero bloat like Lynx.

You simply won't find anything half reasonable to use that doesn't have a front camera. Stick some tape over it if you are worried.

Ignoring the rest, the best deal you will find somewhere within that price range is a Galaxy S20 FE 5G.

I just bought two brand new units for my parents on ebay for $370AUD which = $250 USD.

This was the last flagship (or flagship adjacent) Samsung with a MicroSD slot. Samsung is well catered for by most of the debloating scripts around github via ADB or you can apply root method and get it clean as a whistle.

SOC is a Snapdragon 865, it supports 5G global bands really well, the cameras kick arse but aren't crazy (12MP), it has a really great wide-angle sensor too. It's got a higher refresh rate but low resolution, so the sizeable battery leads to an extremely generous use time. Multiple days for someone like you.

Honestly I'm not sure why'd you'd like to spend $200 on an absolute piece of junk as per your specs when you could spend $250 on a new in-box device that will blow your socks off.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no front camera

That sounds impossible, I don't think that even exists now.

Android 8 or 9

Really, next thing you'll want are Windows 7 PCs? All these OSes are no longer supported, no one is going to sell that new.

[–] monkey011@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I unfortunely agree with your first point. I prefer older OSes because newer ones are usually filled with more garbage.

[–] lexd0g@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

the garbage widely known as "security updates"

[–] DpwnShift@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course you're allowed your opinion, but what exactly are you referring to by "more garbage"? Are you sure you're not talking about bloatware installed by phone/carrier companies that's completely separate from the actual operating system? Also, just like PC operating systems/there are OSes designed to be extremely lightweight, with low system requirements.

Security-wise, using any older OS is a terrible idea, IMO. As long as any personal information will ever pass through that phone, that is. Even if someone discovered a way to remotely hack your phone, eavesdrop on all your interactions, and steal your information, it wouldn't be patched, even if the vulnerabilities were published. These old OSes literally aren't supported anymore.

With that said, I wish you good luck in what you're searching for...

[–] monkey011@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean TTS, "Phone Boosters", animations and other things I don't need.

Not everyone wants to void their warranty or risk making their phones unuseable.

Someome being able to remotely hijack a device that is running an os built by Google doesn't make sense. I don't know exploits that work like this.

[–] BiggestBulb@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Just because it's made by Google doesn't mean literally anything. Google hacks happen literally all the time.

Just heed the warning and slap new Android on it or an up-to-date alternative OS. Otherwise you're pretty likely to get gotten

[–] dusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Google isn't perfect, no company is, just because a big company has made the OS on your phone that doesn't mean it's impenetrable, especially if it's (over) 5 years old like android 8 and 9 are, security issues that exists in these versions of Android are not going away

[–] randromeda@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't understand it so nobody does

Just because you don't understand what security patches are doesn't mean your phone can't be exploited, especially when it's running an os that's half a decade old.

[–] monkey011@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Explain how my phone can get hacked then

[–] zysarus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are literally hundreds of security vulnerabilities in Android 8 and 9.

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224/product_id-19997/version_id-564242/Google-Android-8.0.html

Several of which allow remote code execution (meaning if exploited, attacker would have full control of your device, likely without you knowing). These vulnerabilities can be exploited a number of different ways, for example, this one would just require that your Bluetooth radio is turned on- https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2021-0316/

This one just requires that you open a text message an attacker sends you- https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2020-8899/

This one just requires NFC on your device to be on (which most phones have and is usually on by default) https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2020-0073/

Don't run old OSes. 90% of the reason new versions come out is to fix these issues.

[–] monkey011@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the effort but i still prefer non-bloated OSes with less data collection. I don't see anyone complaining about their device being remotely hijacked outside the internet.

[–] zysarus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Many of these exploits don't require that the person using the phone even knows they're in use bud. You do you, but know that your phone will likely be hijacked to be used as a crypto miner at best. At worst literally all your data will be exfiltrated.

[–] guyman@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you considered buying a used phone?

There are some pretty good deals on ebay.

[–] monkey011@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chances of getting scammed are bigger. No, thanks

[–] guyman@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Are you speaking from experience?

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