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CDs are in every way better than vinyl records. They are smaller, much higher quality audio, lower noise floor and don't wear out by being played. The fact that CD sales are behind vinyl is a sign that the world has gone mad. The fact you can rip and stream your own CD media is fantastic because generally remasters are not good and streaming services typically only have remastered versions, not originals. You have no control on streaming services about what version of an album you're served or whether it'll still be there tomorrow. Not an issue with physical media.

The vast majority of people listen to music using equipment that produces audio of poor quality, especially those that stream using ear buds. It makes me very sad when people don't care that what they're listening to could sound so much better, especially if played through a hifi from a CD player, or using half decent (not beats) headphones.

There's plenty of good sounding and well produced music out there, but it's typically played back through the equivalent of two cans and some string. I'm not sure people remember how good good music can sound when played back through good kit.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Vinyl has better artwork.

Vinyl requires more effort to listen too, forcing the listener to be a part of the listening experience.

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

In addition to the arguments mentioned before and yours:

CD's wear out just by existing

Vinyl looks better in every way

BUT

CD's have a usable index for those times that you are not listening to a whole album

CD's are so much lighter

If you rip the CD's to FLAC's the weight reduction is increased multifold

CD's take up way less space

ALSO

I don't like the smell of either

I listened tape all the way up to my discman D201

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The problem with CDs is that digital storage media is better in every way, and a streaming service is arguably better.

New vinyl purchases many times include a digital download too.

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Apologies in advance for a long, perhaps boring, old man story. Feel free to skip it if you’d like.

Somehow, I mostly bypassed the vinyl era—not on purpose, just by how timing worked out. My parents and older siblings had vinyl records, which I found fascinating and played whenever I could. We also had a few 8-track tapes, but like many, we quickly realized they were not great and stopped using them.

When I was old enough to buy my own music with my fast-food job earnings, cassette tapes were the go-to choice. I wanted to listen to music on my Sony Walkman or the cassette player in my hand-me-down car, so cassettes made the most sense. My friends and I would drive around, wasting gas but having a blast singing along to our favorite tunes and bonding over our shared love of music.

I ended up with about 25 or 30 cassette tapes. When CDs came out, they were a game-changer. They were superior in almost every way, so I replaced most of my tapes with CDs and expanded my collection to about 300 at its peak. I enjoyed my CDs for years, often playing them when we had friends over for dinner and drinks.

Then came the mp3 revolution. I painstakingly ripped my entire CD collection to mp3 format, which took ages, but I kept the CDs for a while, much to my wife’s annoyance, before donating them to a local charity.

These days, I sometimes find music on YouTube, but I’ve never let go of my personal mp3 library. I have multiple copies on SSDs for safety and occasionally add new tracks, though my taste in music is mostly set. I’m not very interested in new releases, not because they’re bad, but they’re just not to my taste. I might make an exception for a movie or game soundtrack or if a younger friend recommends something.

When vinyl made its big comeback, it seemed bizarre to me. I couldn’t understand the appeal of going backward. But as it persisted, I began to get it. With so much content digital and cloud-stored, it can feel ephemeral. Streaming services can disappear or change, leaving you with nothing. Owning a physical object with your favorite music makes sense; it’s something tangible, something truly yours. Though I stick with my mp3s, I understand the allure of vinyl now.

There’s also something to be said about the quirks and flaws of older technology. The grain of film, the pops of a record player, or the imperfections of an analog guitar amp become endearing over time. When a perfect digital replacement comes along, it can feel “cold” to those accustomed to the imperfections. There's an entire industry dedicated to reintroducing those analog quirks into the digital realm, recreating that familiar, comforting imperfection.

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I kept the CDs for a while, much to my wife’s annoyance, before donating them to a local charity

I took them out of the jewel cases and put them into a binder, 4 CDs per page. It hasn't exactly been a burden to carry it around for the last 20 years.

I couldn't tell you how old my oldest MP3s are, except to say that a significant portion of my music library consists of MP3s I made myself with the Fraunhofer DOS command line encoder, and the Cassady & Green SoundJam software for MacOS. Of course, SoundJam is the software that Apple purchased and re-badged it "iTunes".

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I agree that cds are better. Mostly because they didn't degrade or make pop or crack noises. Sort of sucks that we didn't have physical flat storage for FLAC. Those are the real deal. But then it depends on the studio mix and recording.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I don't listen to vinyl, but I have a few of them because I like the larger album art and liner notes. My most prized one is a copy of The Kinks "Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround" which includes records of when it was played on the radio.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're probably right, I'm not an audiophile.

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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

My hifi is: Audiolab 6000A integrated amp Second hand NAD C541i CD player Wharfedale Pacific Evo 40 floor standers I've had 20 years

Connected to my PC I have a studio monitor setup, but that's mostly as I run my guitar though it. Prior to that I had a second hand NAD C320 amp and Wharfedale 9.1 bookshelf speakers. All bought for about £165 and sounded fantastic.

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[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Sure, but its also easier to push 320kbps mp3s from my tablet via Bluetooth to my Sony soundboard than it is to try and figure out wiring my living room for 7.x dolbydhsdtsxxx audio.

If you feel like coming over and helping with that, I'm open on Thursdays.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I do agree with the sound quality of a CD vs vinyl. Any flaw in the vinyl (including just being a bit dusty) makes popping, hissing or other unwanted noise. CDs aren't as easily damaged and don't introduce unwanted noise unless you hella scratched that shit or had something go wrong with burning it so the data itself was fucked up.

But most musicians putting out vinyl these days are doing so without a middle-man, so you buy the vinyl to support the artist and not some mega corporate label or venue. I don't even have a turn table; I just display the records.

The sales thing tho... That's just because of paragraph 2 and the fact that CD players aren't the norm; digital media and streaming are. Compare vinyl sales to digital sales and not CD sales. Shit, man, I don't even know where you would find CDs for sale these days outside of a big music warehouse that sells used stuff. My local Target doesn't even carry those lame background flute CDs anymore.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a portable record player that I Bluetooth stream to my wireless earbuds and I think you’re wrong.

I consider myself an audiophile.

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[–] perishthethought@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For a second I thought I was back on reddit.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Man, you've got multiple opinions in here that are popular and unpopular in different contexts. In an audiophile community, that opening would be very unpopular

But you also get steaming involved, which is digital rather than CDs in a direct sense.

But the whole "earbud" bit is just silly because the term is often used for IEMs, which can produce amazing sound, even compared to cans or great speakers. Like, my gear is all budget-ish, and my tin t2s hold up well against my beyerdynamics and sennheisers (again, entry tier gear across the board). I've even got those cheap Sony buds that can compare decently to much better IEMs (they don't make them any more, but they came with some of the Sony phones years ago).

So it's hard to tell exactly what you mean by "earbuds" making poor quality audio. It's all about how well made they are imo.

So, I didn't vote on the post, but I feel it is overall a fairly popular opinion outside of audiophile circles, which is where I think you're coming from.

I happen to agree with you on average though. I have a decent vinyl collection thanks to my parents giving theirs to me to add to my own. Sound wise, there's less clarity, more noise, and every play worsens that. They do last longer than CDs though. Some of mine are from the fifties and earlier, but I've had CDs from the nineties end up unplayable just from age. Even the oldest, most played record I have can still play.

I'm a digital guy for listening now though. Good lossless formats are essentially immortal, sound great, and are much easier to store. Rip CDs, enjoy forever :)

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