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My experience with the Fediverse has only been through Mastodon, through which I struggled to find a community I really gelled with. Either it was supper overwhelming with meme posts or NSFW, or it was too chill to the point of nothing. Or, it was hyperfocused like FOSS/Linux and became uninteresting after awhile. May try again, but I think I will explore the other fedisites like Plemora or Calckey to see if I like it better.

I love the pace of a forum. I grew up primarily with GameFAQS and some lucid dreaming forum, and honestly it was very formative in teaching me how to write and use critical thinking skills, as well as how to respond to a variety of temperaments. I stopped participating in online forums awhile ago, and while I loved Reddit as a resource, I never felt inspired to participate. In the same way, there are an incredible number of forums dedicated to a certain topic, and are extremely valuable, it would be annoying to make an account for all the things I am interested in.

I like what lemmy is becoming. Glad to find system that makes interacting with people enjoyable.

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[–] Joker@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

I do too. Mastodon is great software, but I’ve never been much of a user of the micro blogging format. The Reddit/hacker news format has been my preference for many years.

[–] XPost3000@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah same here, Reddit is my mindless scrolling app of choice, not Twitter, so when I tried to use Mastodon I just kinda stood there not knowing what to do

I love being able to read and immerse myself is specific communities and whatnot, and specifically I love Reddit for the discourse, people posting in a community, replying to posts, and replaying to those replies, and so on

So Lemmy has just become my jam, so happy that Reddit has an open source federated alternative now, even if they reverse their API debacle I'm still gonna keep using this app

[–] 7heo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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[–] simple@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never really liked Twitter as a concept. It feels like it's built on an "old man yells at cloud" concept where people just shout their thoughts and nobody gains anything from it.

By comparison forums are there to foster discussions and communities. I thought Mastodon would be better but I spent 5 minutes and it's exactly the same nonsense.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Same, same. If I follow 3 high-volume posters on mastodon or twitter, there goes my entire day.

I prefer to follow topics / communities, not people / celebrities.

[–] nimnim@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yep, Same here! When things went south with Twitter, I tried switching to Mastodon, but after several months, I haven't become fond of it. Its interface is so terrible and difficult to navigate. When I heard of Lemmy as an alternative to Reddit, the first thing that came to my mind was, 'Oh, please don't be like Mastodon...' and I'm glad that it is not! I like the fact that it is kinda' similar to Reddit (interface-wise), but at the same time, it is decentralized, which means it is (hopefully) going in the right direction.

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[–] tasbir49@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say this type of layout that focuses more on long form textual content is better for tech savvy people who are likely to stick with the fediverse than the twitter clone that Mastodon was.

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mastodon has benefitted from news articles and the sheer novelty of an alternative to Twitter, even before Elon Musk bought it out.

Lemmy probably won't have the same fanfare, especially given the stigma Reddit has, like it was a secret to have an account, or talking about it betrayed you as some weirdo or pervert. Whatever, Reddit never seemed to have the same social acceptance as Twitter or anything Facebook owns.

I think it is good to have a community that is self-filtering. Let's keep the IQ high on this one (with the exception of me, of course!).

[–] vhstape@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This! I’m glad to see many tech-minded folks on Lemmy, but it doesn’t have the same neckbeard self-importance that Reddit seems to be known for

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Power tripping in a niche on some corporate owned social media website will never be impressive.

[–] vhstape@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So true… I think the worst thing about interacting with people on Reddit is getting downvoted to Hell if you say something sarcastic without “/s”

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There it is. Some people are incapable of reading into context, and take everything so seriously.

Anyways, fuck that noise. I do not need social media to be some stupid zero sum game where I try to win by racking up points that do not matter because there is no prize.

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[–] pieceofcrazy@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm Gen Z and when I was little my parents were (rightfully) very careful with how much time I spent on the internet. Even so, I saw from a distance the old internet, where forums were a thing and you could find lots of cool websites that people made for reasons that weren't limited to promoting or selling something.

When I discovered Reddit it was like I could somehow experience that time, but for many the decline had already started.

I love interacting with people, asking and answering questions, discovering and making others discover new things, but I just can't stand feeling like everything and everyone is trying to sell me something anymore.

Now that I'm here, I feel like this could be the place, at least for a while.

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your instincts are correct! The internet I loved was a library or a coffee shop, not some corprate franchised mega store trying to take your money at every opportunity.

Websites used to be art, exploration was like fringe theater, where you and the author complete the performance.

I hate getting advertized to, even if it is something I want and have been searching for.

I am glad you caught the best of what the internet used to be, and have not been indoctrinated to the worst behaviors, or become too jaded to seek out something that does not disrepect you.

[–] pieceofcrazy@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that the death of stumble upon reflects this very well. I used to spend hours on it, finding website that were about specific niche topics, art, or were interactive experiences of every kind. Now websites don't really exist in that shape anymore, or at least don't have the same resonance. If Internet was the real world, it would be a cyberpunk dystopia

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Stumble Upon was such a revelation when webrings went out of fashion. I could spend my entire day clicking to a random website and never get bored.

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[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've been thinking that it is probably easier to move a community from a platform like Reddit to the Fediverse than it is from Twitter. I have used both Twitter and Reddit a lot, but have moved off Twitter and now use Mastodon. Mastodon works pretty well for me, but it's taken a lot of work to get there, and there are parts of the communities (mostly related to my work) I want to connect with that just don't exist on Mastodon.

But the big difference between Reddit/Lemmy and Twitter/Mastodon is that on Reddit/Lemmy I am interested in communities for topics that are mostly hobbies/entertainment etc. for me, so I don't really care about who I'm interacting with... I can't really name more than a handful of regular users or mods on the Reddit subs I've been using for more than a decade. But it's not really important for interacting there, because it's about interacting with people who have an interest in a particular topic no matter who they are. On Twitter/Mastodon (at least how I use it), the specific people I'm interacting with are more important.

So it seems the "lock in" of Reddit is weaker than Twitter, and I think it'll be quicker to establish communities here. A community on Lemmy with a few hundred people contributing (posts/comments) is already pretty successful and enjoyable. It doesn't matter that the equivalent community on Reddit has over a million people (and in fact it's often better if it's smaller!).

That weaker lock in and the fact that Reddit seems to be massively undervaluing the contribution mods and third-party app devs make to the platform make me think Reddit is going to quickly regret this whole fiasco.

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[–] Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm gonna be honest Lemmy feels like a very chill place unlike Reddit or Facebook, it feels like defusing a bomb when talking on certain subreddits

[–] Acester47@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are very chill here. However, we are all going through the same thing.. we are trauma bonding over the loss of a loved one lol. As the site grows I am sure the vibe will change.

[–] BigJimKen@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I for one am extremely excited to see what Lemmy's first mainstream-news-tier controversy is going to be 🤣

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[–] raresbears@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strongly agree. Mastodon is alright and I use it a little, but the twitter-type format never really worked for me. I feel like when I have to follow individual people I usually end up either following no one or being forced to follow people who post things that interest me sometimes but a lot of the time post things that really don't. Following particular topics or threads just seems much more natural to me; I can look at exactly what interests me and nothing more.

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[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lemmy and Reddit promote engagement, discourse and even arguments... ok, especially arguments.

Mastodon feels like a list of billboards that I am disconnected from.

"Oh, that's news"

But no one talks between eachother about anything. I almost feel like the nature of the layout of Twitter and it's alternatives are almost by design to make the users a little more self serving.

Mastodon has every user standing on a soapbox yelling at crowds, Lemmy is more of a public forum.

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, this micro-blog approach is so one-sided. Some people want engagement, but most people are only looking for agreement.

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[–] open_world@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah in general, I like forums better than the format Twitter is in. I like topic-based discussions more than discussions spawned from short, potentially out-of-context messages.

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't care to engage with low effort content.

How does the saying go? Interesting people talk about ideas, uninteresting people talk about other people.

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[–] KrimsonBun@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah the twitter style of social media has always confused me, I feel like there's much more community and fun here than mastodon but I use both

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I have tried to go back to Mastodon, but I have not found an instance that makes me care enough.

[–] grizzzlay@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Mastodon has big “this is the year of the Linux desktop” energy, just self-absorbed posting and no collaboration between users. Aside from a rare few exceptions, it’s a bunch of frumps. All the shitposters went to BlueSky.

[–] Leer10@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've said before, there's a preference for filtering of normies from primarily Mastodon servers that i don't see on other fediverse servers like Lemmy and i hope that means we'll be able to effectively capture the Digg moment.

It would be amazing to see a pro-user regression from the progressing venture capitalist changes to Reddit

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Good perspective. Everyone is happy in an echochamber, but nobody really grows without some kind of adversity, and even inane differences in opinion can be healthy.

But, people tend to focuse too much on differences. The world is enormous, people should be excited to learn something new, not threatened by it.

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[–] strypey@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think I will explore the other fedisites like Plemora or Calckey to see if I like it better.

Servers running these apps connect to the same fediverse Mastodon servers connect to. As does Lemmy. All these apps just give you different ways to view the same social network, so which software you use makes less difference to what you can see than which server you use. Because there is no global view of the network, what you'll find in hashtag searches or federated timelines in the micro-posting apps (Mastodon, Pler/Akkoma Miss/CalcKey) depends on which accounts are being followed from the server hosting your account.

I'm new to Lemmy's way of viewing the 'verse, so I'm not sure what the equivalent is here. But I think what @dave describes in this thread about Communities hosted on other Lemmy servers taking a while to show up in searches here is relevant: https://lemmy.nz/comment/28480

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Okay, this is a lot different than my previous understanding of the Fediverse. I know it all connects, but it is more profound than I realized.

I have a lot to learn! I need to learn how to audit a server to know if I want to be part if it.

I like the idea of each service being a unique lens over the same information spread across the network.

It feels a lot like the internet promised in Lain Serial Experiments than what we ended up getting.

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[–] araquen@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I kind of see Mastodon as a Twitter replacement and Lemmy as a Reddit replacement. Each has specific use cases. I can see both platforms having value in my online engagement.

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