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[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (7 children)

settlers were protected by military forts and soldiers on the frontier that enforced private property rights.

the logic of private property rights also turned those settlers into capitalist cogs who carried out their expropriation with the understanding that their land deeds would be backed by the force of the capitalist state.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This is true, but the cause and effect was not always uniform. Often the federal military presence happened because settlers would encroach on native lands and then plea to the federal government for support when they bit off more than they could chew.

Which was a constant resource strain for the central government. That’s why the crown and later the federal government tried to put limits on westward expansion. It wasn’t out of some respect for the natives, it was because enforcing the settlements was costly both from a real dollar perspective as well as manpower.

[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

once you get the ball of capitalist social relations rolling downhill, it can be hard to stop. it's a self-reinforcing system: steal peoples land, make them poor, tell them they can stop being poor by owning land so they go steal other people's land that aren't under the regime of private property and the state.

some day this will run out of steam. I hope.

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean when its moving fastest would be in fascism, no? The social relations of capital push harder and harder to a point where a state moves to consuming its own fragmentable populace, and then also pushes to expand it borders militarily to accomodate that civil society.

[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I dint know it transforms everything at its borders into a part of itself pretty damn quickly.

maybe the edge of capitalism is always fascist?

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

I think its always imperialist, given that its one class in a nation aggressing against another nation while in a fascist sense its all happening in one nation. when it cant expand itself and relieve its social tensions in directs those forces inward, cannibalizing itself.

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