With JD Vance and all the fake populism, and now this. I don't see any other path than the fascist one. Might be best to start looking at options to flee this hellhole.

UPDATE: They now have on a member of the Steamfitters union who is a "lifelong Democrat"... Yeah it's pretty much over

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[–] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (37 children)

I know we are just a small group of shitposters but what have we done at all to even try to sway public opinion even gently? We can say electoralism doesn't work for the Dems or leftism but does it work for the Republicans? Is there maybe a way we try to normalize the narrative that Trump's own chaoticness contributed to why he got shot (which is what 38% of those polled already believe) just so that we can at least say we tried something before throwing our hands up and resigning ourselves to fascism?

[–] Eldritch@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This place should be a way to connect and exchange but it shouldn't be a stand in for regular irl action and implication in different communities and causes. I expect most of us are already trying to counter the narratives in our social circles but it's difficult to counter the biggest propaganda machine in history.

[–] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

I think that one thing that makes countering narratives more effective is if we didn't all make different scattered arguments, and try to challenge things only as they come up in our circles like whack-a-mole, if we actually unified around a set of the same points that people see everywhere. I mean how many people have you heard from that "the left is now illiberal?" That was a concerted push of a singular collectively workshopped message until it took hold in the public consciousness. Bush and Frank Luntz workshopped a way to remove rich people's inheritance taxes by polling pejorative names for it until they hit gold with "the death tax."

I am not saying the propaganda machines against us aren't powerful, but I am saying that we are not even at the most power we ourselves can be, aren't even trying to approximate a DIY version of that machine.

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