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Inconvenient package management, manual theme installation and anything that involves changes to the system.
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Fair.
I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?
I'd argue "anything" is too harsh. But yes, there are definitely edge cases that are either very/too cumbersome or outright impossible to achieve on Fedora Atomic.
However, I'd argue that while the associated paradigm shift and learning curve do require some commitment to adjust to, it is a more sane way of running a system for most people.
If there's a flatpak, no problem.
Once you realize you do package management in distroboxes rather than the main OS (rpm-ostree etc), no problem, plus you have the AUR at your disposal.
So Ima go not fair, although there is something of an education gap atm.
I'm a big fan of Fedora Atomic. However, even I have to admit that knowing how to install packages through
dnfis simply more convenient than knowing and understanding the nuances betweenrpm-ostree, Toolbx/Distrobox andflatpak. And I haven't even delved intoujustandbrewthat are found on uBlue images.Furthermore, even if we would limit ourselves with what Fedora Atomic prescribes, we see the following inconveniences:
rpm-ostree; I know--apply-liveexists and I knowsystemctl soft-rebootexists. But still, if you have to resort torpm-ostree, then both the speed of update/installation as well as the need to reboot (or live on the edge with--apply-live) are inconvenient compared todnf.flatpak; It's inconvenient that I have to alias the installed package if I prefer sane naming conventions when accessing it through the terminal. Furthermore, stuff like the NativeMessaging portal not being available yet for sandboxed browsers and how that prevents any local password manager to interact with them (without hacking your way through; which, once again, is an inconvenience) is inconvenient.distrobox-exporthas to be resorted to for accessing these directly from your 'App Drawer' is an inconvenience.The fact that there's no centralized place for upgrading all of the above (unless you rely on an uBlue image) is an inconvenience.
I could go on and on, but these should satisfy in revealing some of the more obnoxious inconveniences.
Fair cop on the inconveniences, although I've found it fine after an adaption phase, coming from fedora it was lesser than hopping to a new distro. Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.
I just run 'distrobox upgrade -all' in my Daily.service, didn't need quadlets (although after adaption I quite like them for containers now).
Though credit where credit is due. At this point, so well-beyond the adaption phase, I simply don't see myself use anything else. This is my home. Though I have to admit my serious interest in QubesOS (and the upcoming Spectrum OS).
Agree. I'm at least thankful that it's a lot better than it used to be. Like two years ago, when as a total noob to Linux, I decided to cold turkey quit Windows and installed Fedora Silverblue on my machine. Well..., those first two weeks were pretty traumatic 😂. And, back then, there was not a lot out there. Luckily, I found this article that helped me to grasp the basics. And it has been smooth sailing ever since.
That's pretty cool (and straightforward). Why didn't I think of that 😂? But yeah, quadlets FTW.