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[–] harmonea@kbin.social 66 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Most of the comments here seem to be arguing whether it's better to get help now from SO or ChatGPT, but this is a pretty short-sighted mindset.

What happens when the next new standard comes out that ChatGPT hasn't been trained on? If SO tanks and dies, where will you go?

I'm not saying use a lesser resource, I'm saying this is kinda tragic and I hope they can sustain themselves; AI is propped up by human input and can't train itself.

[–] gosling@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Does it really though? It seems to me that once you nail the general intelligence, you'll just need to provide the supplemental information (e.g. new documentations) for it to give an accurate response.

Bing already somewhat does this by connecting their bot to internet searches

[–] gnus_migrate@programming.dev 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're not able to properly define general intelligence, let alone build something that qualifies as intelligent.

[–] gosling@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can think of four aspects needed to emulate human response: basic knowledge on various topics, logical reasoning, contextual memory, and ability to communicate; and ChatGPT seems to possess all four to a certain degree.

Regardless of what you think is or isn't intelligent, for programming help you just need something to go through tons of text and present the information most likely to help you, maybe modify it a little to fit your context. That doesn't sound too far fetched considering what we have today and how much information are available on the internet

[–] gnus_migrate@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

I can think of four aspects needed to emulate human response: basic knowledge on various topics, logical reasoning, contextual memory, and ability to communicate; and ChatGPT seems to possess all four to a certain degree.

LLM's cannot reason, nor can they communicate. They can give the illusion of doing so, and that's if they have enough data in the domain you're prompting them with. Try to go into topics that aren't as popular on the internet, the illusion breaks down pretty quickly. This isn't "we're not there yet", it's a fundamental limitation of the technology. LLM's are designed to mimick the style of a human response, they don't have any logical capabilities.

Regardless of what you think is or isn’t intelligent, for programming help you just need something to go through tons of text and present the information most likely to help you, maybe modify it a little to fit your context. That doesn’t sound too far fetched considering what we have today and how much information are available on the internet.

You're the one who brought up general intelligence not me, but to respond to your point: The problem is that people had an incentive to contribute that text, and it wasn't necessarily monetary. Whether it was for internet points or just building a reputation, people got something in return for their time. With LLM's, that incentive is gone, because no matter what they contribute it's going to be fed to a model that won't attribute those contributions back to them.

Today LLM's are impressive because they use information that was contributed by millions of people. The more people rely on ChatGPT, the less information will be available to train it on, and the less impressive these models are going to be over time.

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