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I've looked at a lot of other immutable distros and I might just end up using one of those, but I feel like taking on a bit of a challenge and there's a few things I'm not very keen on with existing solutions (last paragraph is my idea if you want to skip the context).

Most immutable systems I've seen require a reboot in order to apply system changes. What is this, Windows? Yeah, reboots are quick but restoring my windows and getting back into my groove is not quick. Also, every immutable OS I've seen wants you to opt-in to a rollback. Rarely do I see the full effects of installing a package or altering a config immediately. By the time I notice an issue maybe it's too late to rollback to before the change or maybe I've done a few other things since and I don't want to rollback everything. I would much prefer to make "rolling forward" or persisting changes to be a very conscious process.

I started messing with BTRFS and I think I've come up with a process that will get me what I want, no matter the distro. Please poke holes in my idea. So I think I can use BTRFS to hold data for the rootfs in three different subvolumes (at minimum): root-A, root-B, root-Z. root-Z is my golden image and it represents what I want root to look like after reboot. root-A and root-B are the active and passive instances of rootfs, but which one is active will flip-flop after every reboot. So if I boot with A, B gets replaced with the contents of Z. In the meantime I can do whatever I want with A. Not sure how I'll update Z (chroot or "promote" the active subvol to be Z) but without an update every reboot is an automatic rollback.

Thoughts?

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[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I probably didn't explain it very well, sorry.

When I update using the gnome software manager, it only downloads the packages and wait for a reboot to install them. When I click the option to reboot ans install, it boots to a software update screen, and when it finishes, it reboots again to the system.

[–] yala 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Thank you for the elaboration! Quick question;

When I click the option to reboot ans install, it boots to a software update screen

You use the word "boots" here. Then,

it reboots again to the system.

Now, you use reboots accompanies with "again". Therefore, I will assume that the previous "boots" meant to convey a reboot. As for my actual question, does your system do a full reboot the first time? So, is it technically possible to access GRUB in-between and does it ask you to fill in the LUKS-password (if you've enabled FDE) etc?

Finally, is this on Fedora Silverblue? Or just plain ol' classic Fedora?

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

It's on main fedora, and yes, I go through grub need to input the encryption password twice. I can record it, if it makes things more clear. I'm having a weird difficulty explaining this.

[–] yala 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It’s on main fedora

That's were the disparity of our experiences stem from 😉. I'm aware that regular Fedora behaves peculiar for updates. IIRC, the reasoning involved something about ensuring that updates happened offline for the sake of system integrity. Thankfully, Fedora Atomic doesn't have that issue 😊. Thank you clarifying!

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sorry for the mess, and thank you for taking your time to answer me

[–] yala 3 points 7 months ago

No need to apologize fam. Thank you for being patient with my questions 😜.

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